(October 24, 2021 at 10:12 am)Ten Wrote:

Why did I bother? It's like each post, the memory is wiped clean, so there's no relation to what was mentioned previously or coherence of a point.

At least Ahriman is direct. He doesn't hide his bullshit non-answers in some metaphorical sentences, mentioning Aristotle all with a pretentious attitude - like some other Christians on this forum.

I mean, not everyone will have a better life. Some are living their best life now. But those people will be sent to Hell eventually. But Hell doesn't last forever. Neither does Heaven. Eventually all human souls will be annihilated.

(October 24, 2021 at 6:18 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(October 22, 2021 at 5:04 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: What does interest me is how there can be any "meaningful" relationships in the sense of warranted correspondence between our semiotics-based understanding of the world and physical reality.

(October 23, 2021 at 10:34 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Without the resurrection+, life doesn't have any meaning.

… Whatever value worth or meaning it has is given to it by some other thing, some afterlife. One wonders why or how an afterlife would have meaning, or grant meaning to life, if life has no meaning itself,…

Well, @snowtracks, is not correct. The lives of the dead can have meaning. It’s just that people have to be alive to enjoy that significance. He makes the same mistake that nihilists do – confusing the enjoyments of life from any meaning(s) it may have. For example, married sex is pleasuarable. For some however, physical intimacy is interpreted as a sign of intangibles like commitment and affection within the relationship.

The meaning of a sign is found in the relationship between the sign and what the sign signifies. The meaning of a painting is not inherent in the canvas or colored globs; but rather, by reference to something external to it, i.e. the subject matter depicted. So when someone asks what the meaning of life is, he or she isn’t just looking to something within life that makes life worth living. Instead they are asking to participate in a relationship with something larger to which their lives refer.

(October 24, 2021 at 8:23 am)Ahriman Wrote: The next life will be better than this life. That should come as a relief to many people.

But not to anyone who ends up in hell. If heaven is only available to believers, when you add up the pleasure and pain of all the individuals involved the afterlife will be several orders of magnitude worse.

I also saw that in another post you claim that neither heaven nor hell will last forever. If that were so, why even bother? Why not just leave the dead in their silent, painless graves rather than reviving them for a temporary redo?

(October 24, 2021 at 6:18 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, there's a christian answer for you Neo.  There is no meaning to life.   Whatever value worth or meaning it has is given to it by some other thing, some afterlife.  One wonders why or how an afterlife would have meaning, or grant meaning to life, if life has no meaning itself, just another christian mystery.

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I think I can see this.  If we knew for certain that there was an afterlife, then living our life in such a way to insure we get there provides a clear goal or objective in life.  Sort of like what we do with education as a pathway to a particular career.  It depends on what is meant by "meaning of life".  If we consider it our "meaning" to reach the afterlife, where we will be granted great honor and reward.  This makes "meaning" essentially equivalent to "goal".  If the definition of "meaning" is something different, then this vector wouldn't make a lot of sense.  I don't believe we as a human specie have a common definition for that term.  I think for many humans, "meaning of life" is more related to the legacy of their behavior and impact on the world is a more accurate.

(October 24, 2021 at 3:33 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(October 24, 2021 at 8:23 am)Ahriman Wrote: The next life will be better than this life. That should come as a relief to many people.

But not to anyone who ends up in hell.  If heaven is only available to believers, when you add up the pleasure and pain of all the individuals involved the afterlife will be several orders of magnitude worse.

I also saw that in another post you claim that neither heaven nor hell will last forever.  If that were so, why even bother?  Why not just leave the dead in their silent, painless graves rather than reviving them for a temporary redo?

When you finish reading a book, do you then say, "Well I'm going to die someday, might as well not even start a new book.".......No.

(October 24, 2021 at 4:25 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(October 24, 2021 at 3:33 pm)Astreja Wrote: But not to anyone who ends up in hell.  If heaven is only available to believers, when you add up the pleasure and pain of all the individuals involved the afterlife will be several orders of magnitude worse.

I also saw that in another post you claim that neither heaven nor hell will last forever.  If that were so, why even bother?  Why not just leave the dead in their silent, painless graves rather than reviving them for a temporary redo?

When you finish reading a book, do you then say, "Well I'm going to die someday, might as well not even start a new book.".......No.

Your response is makes no sense in regard to Astreja's post.  She asked what was the point in making all the effort to reach a heaven that is not permanent.  It's similar to asking if a career in engineering will only last a month, why would I bother to go to college and work hard for four years to get a degree for that?  The point of reading a book is to enjoy the book, not to prepare for something afterward.

(October 24, 2021 at 4:31 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(October 24, 2021 at 4:25 pm)Ahriman Wrote: When you finish reading a book, do you then say, "Well I'm going to die someday, might as well not even start a new book.".......No.

Your response is makes no sense in regard to Astreja's post.  She asked what was the point in making all the effort to reach a heaven that is not permanent.  It's similar to asking if a career in engineering will only last a month, why would I bother to go to college and work hard for four years to get a degree for that?  The point of reading a book is to enjoy the book, not to prepare for something afterward.

Because it's not "making all the effort", it's not hard like that. It's a series of easy-to-make choices.

(October 24, 2021 at 4:35 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(October 24, 2021 at 4:31 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Your response is makes no sense in regard to Astreja's post.  She asked what was the point in making all the effort to reach a heaven that is not permanent.  It's similar to asking if a career in engineering will only last a month, why would I bother to go to college and work hard for four years to get a degree for that?  The point of reading a book is to enjoy the book, not to prepare for something afterward.

Because it's not "making all the effort", it's not hard like that. It's a series of easy-to-make choices.

That depends on which religion you are talking about.  I have no interest in the religion in your mind that has a population of 1 where you fabricate everything.

(October 24, 2021 at 4:38 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(October 24, 2021 at 4:35 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Because it's not "making all the effort", it's not hard like that. It's a series of easy-to-make choices.

That depends on which religion you are talking about.  I have no interest in the religion in your mind that has a population of 1 where you fabricate everything.

My Heaven would be sweet as fuck. Even Hell wouldn't be that bad.