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November 17, 2011 at 2:16 am (This post was last modified: November 17, 2011 at 2:16 am by IATIA.)
The bible, god, religion, or anything that relates directly to such, is not an axiom.
ax·i·om (ks-m) n.
A self-evident or universally recognized truth; a maxim
An established rule, principle, or law.
A self-evident principle or one that is accepted as true without proof as the basis for argument; a postulate.
ax·i·om [ak-see-uhm] noun
a self-evident truth that requires no proof.
a universally accepted principle or rule.
Logic, Mathematics . a proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follow from it.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
November 17, 2011 at 10:13 am (This post was last modified: November 17, 2011 at 10:14 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Again, Statler, I don't think you have "genuine faith". Look at all of the assumptions you've implied in that statement. You may feel, or believe, or hope that you're saved. You don't know. It's okay to admit it, hell, it might even be pious to admit it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
November 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm (This post was last modified: November 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(November 17, 2011 at 2:16 am)IATIA Wrote:
The bible, god, religion, or anything that relates directly to such, is not an axiom.
ax•i•om (ks-m) n.
A self-evident or universally recognized truth; a maxim
An established rule, principle, or law.
A self-evident principle or one that is accepted as true without proof as the basis for argument; a postulate.
ax•i•om [ak-see-uhm] noun
a self-evident truth that requires no proof.
a universally accepted principle or rule.
Logic, Mathematics . a proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follow from it.
Did you read your own post? God’s existence would certainly be an axiom under definition three if it is used to reason from rather than to, which it is.
(November 17, 2011 at 10:13 am)Rhythm Wrote: Again, Statler, I don't think you have "genuine faith". Look at all of the assumptions you've implied in that statement. You may feel, or believe, or hope that you're saved. You don't know. It's okay to admit it, hell, it might even be pious to admit it.
(November 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Did you read your own post? God’s existence would certainly be an axiom under definition three if it is used to reason from rather than to, which it is.
Accepted as true without proof? But it isn't, not by everybody. So, unlucky.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
(November 21, 2011 at 5:11 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:
(November 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Did you read your own post? God’s existence would certainly be an axiom under definition three if it is used to reason from rather than to, which it is.
Accepted as true without proof? But it isn't, not by everybody. So, unlucky.
Furthermore, treating the existence of god as axiomatic in a logical proof can only lead to determine the proof a the validity of the argument, not it's soundness. It cannot validate that the axiom is true, and therefore, with respect to this particular axiom, says nothing about the existence of god.
As the entire argument is predicated on an unproven axiom, it's all nothing but mental masturbation, and IMHO, not worthy of serious discussion.
November 21, 2011 at 7:36 pm (This post was last modified: November 21, 2011 at 9:14 pm by Old Seer.)
In my understanding that would be like asking -why did God create God.
Just for info purposes, I'm not a Theist, Deist, or Atheist.
God is a conglomerate of good and evil. But, what particular "evil" are you referring to. There's a material source of evil, and a spiritual source. A material source would be an earthquake. The spiritual source would be person upon person. This may be a new answer/question for you.
(November 21, 2011 at 5:11 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Accepted as true without proof? But it isn't, not by everybody. So, unlucky.
Axioms don’t have to be accepted by everyone, logic is not based upon consensus opinion.
(November 21, 2011 at 5:35 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Furthermore, treating the existence of god as axiomatic in a logical proof can only lead to determine the proof a the validity of the argument, not it's soundness. It cannot validate that the axiom is true, and therefore, with respect to this particular axiom, says nothing about the existence of god.
As the entire argument is predicated on an unproven axiom, it's all nothing but mental masturbation, and IMHO, not worthy of serious discussion.
That’s not quite correct, you can demonstrate axioms are true transcendentally by demonstrating that if they were not true you could not demonstrate anything to be true at all.
(November 21, 2011 at 7:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Well it is to Waldork because if he for once lets go of his fairy tale reality he'll end up in a padded cell somewhere.
Actually that’s not quite correct, if I let go of my beliefs I would end up just like you. Hopelessly irrational, secretly assuming the existence of the very thing I desperately claim does not exist; logically incoherent and ascribing to a worldview that cannot stand under its own weight.
As much fun as that all sounds, I’ll choose rationality myself.
(November 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:
(November 17, 2011 at 2:16 am)IATIA Wrote:
The bible, god, religion, or anything that relates directly to such, is not an axiom.
ax•i•om (ks-m) n.
A self-evident or universally recognized truth; a maxim
An established rule, principle, or law.
A self-evident principle or one that is accepted as true without proof as the basis for argument; a postulate.
ax•i•om [ak-see-uhm] noun
a self-evident truth that requires no proof.
a universally accepted principle or rule.
Logic, Mathematics . a proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follow from it.
Did you read your own post? God’s existence would certainly be an axiom under definition three if it is used to reason from rather than to, which it is.
Of course I did. I wrote it. The question is did you read it?
universally recognized truth That means everyone. Not a portion of the population, but all.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
(November 21, 2011 at 8:54 pm)IATIA Wrote: Of course I did. I wrote it. The question is did you read it?
universally recognized truth That means everyone. Not a portion of the population, but all.
So you pulled a term from definition 2 and tried to say it applied to definition 3? I hope that was just a mistake and you were not being intentionally misleading on that one.
