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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 11, 2022 at 9:32 am
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None of them, however, can reconcile evolution itself or the theory which explains it..with the story in magic book.
It's not an issue of the word "kind" - though we've gone down that road on these boards before and it's a shitshow even on it's own grounds. Animals do not, in fact, reproduce according to their own kinds, because kind is an unworkable category with respect to the reality of biological divergence. Use "kind" to refer to any factual biological category and it will take all of twenty seconds to find a living counter-factual. As a society, though, we're more than willing to negotiate the reality of this with the afflicted. All things being equal..and even between christians...we know that a person who goes out of their way, ties their scrotum into a knot, attempting to make fantasy accord with reality, is less likely to be a terrible nutter.
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 13, 2022 at 9:37 pm
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(May 11, 2022 at 9:32 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: None of them, however, can reconcile evolution itself or the theory which explains it..with the story in magic book.
It's not an issue of the word "kind" - though we've gone down that road on these boards before and it's a shitshow even on it's own grounds. Animals do not, in fact, reproduce according to their own kinds, because kind is an unworkable category with respect to the reality of biological divergence. Use "kind" to refer to any factual biological category and it will take all of twenty seconds to find a living counter-factual. As a society, though, we're more than willing to negotiate the reality of this with the afflicted. All things being equal..and even between christians...we know that a person who goes out of their way, ties their scrotum into a knot, attempting to make fantasy accord with reality, is less likely to be a terrible nutter.
Kind means species, and animals do in fact reproduce according to their own species, the literal criteria of kind/species is being able to produce fertile offspring.
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 13, 2022 at 9:52 pm
(May 4, 2022 at 2:22 pm)QuackeryDetection Wrote: (May 4, 2022 at 7:50 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: False equivalence, Creationism and evolution aren't mutually exclusigve. You'd have to debunk creationism using abiogenesis.
Well creationists tend to not believe in evolution.
Not true, creationists don't believe humans evolved from some primordial soup.
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 13, 2022 at 9:52 pm
Quote:Kind means species, and animals do in fact reproduce according to their own species, the literal definition of kind/species is being able to produce fertile offspring.
Kind isn't a valid scientific term let alone meaning the same thing as species
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 13, 2022 at 9:53 pm
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Quote:Not true, creationists don't believe humans evolved from some primordial soup.
1.No Creationists don't believe in evolution
2. No one says humans evoloved from primordial soup. Certainly not directly.
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 13, 2022 at 9:55 pm
(May 13, 2022 at 9:52 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Kind means species, and animals do in fact reproduce according to their own species, the literal definition of kind/species is being able to produce fertile offspring.
Kind isn't a valid scientific term let alone meaning the same thing as species
Do you know what synonymous means?
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 13, 2022 at 9:56 pm
Quote:Do you know what synonymous means?
Yes
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 13, 2022 at 10:01 pm
(May 13, 2022 at 9:56 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Do you know what synonymous means?
Yes
Then you should know that 'kind' and 'species' are synonymous and have the same definition.
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 13, 2022 at 10:04 pm
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In actual modern biology, they don't. "Kinds" are creationist make-believes and have zero credibility outside that unhinged pseudoscience. Life is not a collection of separate lifeforms in bubbles instead every lifeform is merely a modification of a previous lifeform and so on. Life is the accumulation of modifications etc. Creationist Taxonomy is nonsense.
18.23 really puts the nail in the coffin
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RE: Debunking Creationism #1 - How Human Evolution Works
May 14, 2022 at 12:07 am
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Creationism is garbage 
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