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A knockdown prophecy
#31
RE: A knockdown prophecy
Mohammed was probably influenced by the Babylonian concept of a circle having 360 degrees and generalized that to the human body. In any case, we are not born with 360 joints. Period.
#32
RE: A knockdown prophecy
Indeed turns out it's a bit of a debate 

Quote:Believe it or not, that is a complicated question. The answer depends upon what you mean by joint. For example:
Growing bones are divided into growth centers. This creates a growth joint where bone is connected to bone known as a metaphysis. If you count this as a joint then the answer depends upon how old the person is.
Some bones come together bone-to-bone, and then fuse later in life. This can be a natural process like with bone growth but occurs late in life. The sutures of the skull are an example. These joints are called synostosis.
A similar process can occur that is pathological. That can create bone spurs and new linkages, joints, among bones.
Some bones are linked together by ligaments, creating a joint known as a syndesmosis. If you count every instance where a ligament spans between two bones, and count every ligament as a separate joining, you would have an enormous number of joints.
Most of the time when we think of joints, we are thinking about the moveable joints known as synovial joints. There are a lot of these, and not all synovial joints are mobile and not all mobile joints are synovial.
In addition, there are a variable number of bones in the body. Sesamoids, small bones inside tendons, are common but variable. The number of linkages between sesamoids and more standard bone, such as the patellofemoral joint, would be impossible to count without a careful examination of the subject involved.
There are many other types of joints in the body that I am not mentioning, and there are even named joints that do not link bone-to-bone. So, again, I have to state that the answer to your question depends upon how you want to define joint. And, once you come up with a definition you like, you will always find someone who disagrees with you
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#33
RE: A knockdown prophecy
And before ROOK deploys his tired "it doesn't matter if people knew it before Mo it's doesn't make it not a prophecy Dur Dur"  Yes it does. If mere humans could work it out on their own before the holy book was written it's not a real prophecy. A prophecy has to be original and beyond contemporary human understanding or it's simply human knowledge said prophet could have learned at some point somehow. If we have a previous or contemporary non-miraculous source we have no reason to appeal to the supernatural for said knowledge. And the motivations of Mo and his followers are irrelevant to the raw facts above.
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#34
RE: A knockdown prophecy
Given people's propensity in the ancient world for round numbers, it's quite unremarkable.
#35
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 5:43 am)GUBU Wrote: Oh wow, what great magic it is that one of the qu'ran's 9th century authors could read Greek. Rolleyes

That was a hadith, which isn't part of the Qur'an. Sounds like you don't have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about.

(September 7, 2022 at 9:24 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's nice the writer was able to accurately count joints, but that's early science, not prophecy. The writer wasn't ever the first to arrive at an accurate count:

Lü Pu-wei's Springs and Autumns (Lü shih ch'un-ch'iu) - of (ca. 239 BC)

Human beings have 360 joints, nine body openings, and five yin and six yang systems of function. In the flesh tightness is desirable; in the blood vessels (hsueh-mo free flow is desirable; in the sinews and bones solidity is desirable; in the operations of the heart and mind harmony is desirable; in the essential ch'i regular motion is desirable. When [these desiderata] are realized, illness has nowhere to abide, and there is nothing from which pathology can develop. When illness lasts and pathology develops, it is because the essential ch'i has become static.

The paragraph you quoted above is a heap of crap, scientifically speaking, aside from the 360 joints part. That's the crucial difference between what one finds in ancient eastern religions and Islam. The former is 99% factual errors and 1% accurate facts, while the latter is 100% accurate facts, even if they're not what atheists expect of a prophecy: some verbatim statement of some recent law of physics for example.

It's not enough for you to find some quote somewhere about joints with the number 360, you have to explain why the Islamic prophet always takes the correct bits and leaves out the scientific mistakes. And aside from trained physicians, almost all people will get the wrong count, some joints are very tricky to even notice, given that they have different sizes.
#36
RE: A knockdown prophecy
We are not born with 360 joints. No medical authority would agree with that. Likewise, we did not descend from some "Adam", unless you are going to appeal to the single male ancestor who lived in Africa around 130,000 years ago.
#37
RE: A knockdown prophecy
This objection is irrelevant as it got the number of joints correct. Just because other non-scientific beliefs are attached to that fact is not a refutation and it did this century before Islam was even an idea, And no we don't have to explain anything about Islam. The number of joints is correct and the book predates Islam. End of debate. Your waffling won't save you.
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#38
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 11:01 am)Jehanne Wrote: We are not born with 360 joints.  No medical authority would agree with that.  Likewise, we did not descend from some "Adam", unless you are going to appeal to the single male ancestor who lived in Africa around 130,000 years ago.
Also, his objection is irrelevant as long as the book gets the number of joints right that's all the matter to the refutation.
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#39
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 10:55 am)R00tKiT Wrote:
(September 7, 2022 at 5:43 am)GUBU Wrote: Oh wow, what great magic it is that one of the qu'ran's 9th century authors could read Greek. Rolleyes

That was a hadith, which isn't part of the Qur'an. Sounds like you don't have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about.
An example of why our other muslim friend thinks that set of fables damages the credibility of the religion of magic book.  

Quote:The paragraph you quoted above is a heap of crap, 
-just as magic book and hadith are a pile of pigshit, scientifically speaking.  Like your attempt to parody electronics manufacturing..I think you've succeeded ...just not in what you set out to do. Furthermore, I'd posit that every scientific miracle nuts true faith is found in science, and not hadith or magic book or big mo, or some silly god. After all, we're looking at science as the truthmaker for your religious claims, and not the other way round.
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#40
RE: A knockdown prophecy
Can Islam explain why my farts smell better than anyone else's?
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