(September 24, 2022 at 12:07 am)Eclectic Wrote:

(September 23, 2022 at 10:41 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Would these demonstrations be necessary if the USA hadn't overthrown Mosaddegh?

Yes, if America had not overthrown the Mossadegh government, the Islamic government would still have been established.
Because the majority of Iranian people followed the satanic religion of Islam, and these Muslim monsters would ban other parties after their party won the election.

After the revolution of 1979, hijab was not mandatory for 3 years and all parties were active, nationalists, communists and liberals.
But as soon as the Islamists gained very power, they dissolved other parties and executed their followers.
Several thousand girls from different parties were killed by executed in prisons.
According to the laws of Islam, if a girl is arrested and sentenced to death due to ideological opposition to Islam, she must be raped by several Muslims before the execution. The Hizbollah raped and executed the girls.
Muslims destroyed the graves of men and women members of non-Islamic parties.

i would not be so sure about that.

Mosedagh was not just a non-crown wearing substitute for a nominally progress shah.   The rise of islamist government in Iran is not just a reaction to the superficially progressive policies of the Shah.    It was also every bit a reaction against the corruption of the shah regime and economic policies that favored a narrow urban elite and the expense of the more conservative hinterlands.     in other words, it was not the progressiveness of the shah that brought about the islamist reaction of 1979.   It was the fact that the shah’s policy was seen as inequitable and economically marginalized the conservative elements which was still the majority in Iran.

so a less corrupt government that put as much policy focus on reducing economic and developmental iniquities as on putting miniskirts on the streets certainly had a very fair chance of permanently forestalling the islamist reaction. 

reactionary religions resurgence is seldomly driven primarily by religious fervor.   it almost always deserve most of its impetus from being seen as an outlet for social and economic frustration.

(October 8, 2022 at 10:39 am)Eclectic Wrote: The people of Iran have not asked the US to spend money to overthrow the theocratic regime of Iran, but Biden has said that his plan is primarily to preserve the theocratic regime in Iran.
Also, now that the people of Iran are fighting, Biden is giving billions of dollars to the Iranian government.

USA is enemy of secularist of Iran. USA helps islamic government.
People of iran always thinks, USA created Islamic government iran in 1979..

I was watching the news a minute ago. In the city of Sanandaj they shot a man in his car, on the head, because he was blowing the horn in his car.
 
   So I don’t know if you are right but if you are, Joe Biden should probably send the leader of some local cartel to deal with this “government”. As the Iranian-born Masih Alinejad put it in her speech two days ago, I don’t know why Ibrahim Raisi is still allowed to make a speech in the UN and I don’t know why Mr. Macron is shaking his hand.
   If I was the president of any civilized country. I’d make a deal with my local mafia to talk with this guys. Why does a president talk to these guys. (They just shot the man in the head, while he was sitting in his car because he showed support to the protesters by blowing the horn of the automobile)

(October 9, 2022 at 12:54 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2022 at 12:07 am)Eclectic Wrote: Yes, if America had not overthrown the Mossadegh government, the Islamic government would still have been established.
Because the majority of Iranian people followed the satanic religion of Islam, and these Muslim monsters would ban other parties after their party won the election.

After the revolution of 1979, hijab was not mandatory for 3 years and all parties were active, nationalists, communists and liberals.
But as soon as the Islamists gained very power, they dissolved other parties and executed their followers.
Several thousand girls from different parties were killed by executed in prisons.
According to the laws of Islam, if a girl is arrested and sentenced to death due to ideological opposition to Islam, she must be raped by several Muslims before the execution. The Hizbollah raped and executed the girls.
Muslims destroyed the graves of men and women members of non-Islamic parties.

i would not be so sure about that.

Mosedagh was not just a non-crown wearing substitute for a nominally progress shah.   The rise of islamist government in Iran is not just a reaction to the superficially progressive policies of the Shah.    It was also every bit a reaction against the corruption of the shah regime and economic policies that favored a narrow urban elite and the expense of the more conservative hinterlands.     in other words, it was not the progressiveness of the shah that brought about the islamist reaction of 1979.   It was the fact that the shah’s policy was seen as inequitable and economically marginalized the conservative elements which was still the majority in Iran.

so a less corrupt government that put as much policy focus on reducing economic and developmental iniquities as on putting miniskirts on the streets certainly had a very fair chance of permanently forestalling the islamist reaction. 

reactionary religions resurgence is seldomly driven primarily by religious fervor.   it almost always deserve most of its impetus from being seen as an outlet for social and economic frustration.

Iranian History is complicated. The father Pahlavi was a very progressive man too. But the two imperialist powers of the region England and Russia never left the country on its own. The people remained largely poor and uneducated.

   But personally, I liked the younger shah and his wife. I mean I liked them as figures in the media in the same way I seem to like the British royal family. Of course the ultimate solution for such a country is either a democratic constitutional monarchy or a republic (a true republic) pure and simple.

(October 9, 2022 at 2:05 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:

(October 8, 2022 at 10:39 am)Eclectic Wrote: The people of Iran have not asked the US to spend money to overthrow the theocratic regime of Iran, but Biden has said that his plan is primarily to preserve the theocratic regime in Iran.
Also, now that the people of Iran are fighting, Biden is giving billions of dollars to the Iranian government.

USA is enemy of secularist of Iran. USA helps islamic government.
People of iran always thinks, USA created Islamic government iran in 1979..

I was watching the news a minute ago. In the city of Sanandaj they shot a man in his car, on the head, because he was blowing the horn in his car.
 
   So I don’t know if you are right but if you are, Joe Biden should probably send the leader of some local cartel to deal with this “government”. As the Iranian-born Masih Alinejad put it in her speech two days ago, I don’t know why Ibrahim Raisi is still allowed to make a speech in the UN and I don’t know why Mr. Macron is shaking his hand.
   If I was the president of any civilized country. I’d make a deal with my local mafia to talk with this guys. Why does a president talk to these guys. (They just shot the man in the head, while he was sitting in his car because he showed support to the protesters by blowing the horn of the automobile)

   I just heard in the news that the regime said that it was the demonstrators themselves who shot this man while he was seated in his car (with the door closed / I saw the images).

   So if we are to believe this theory… Well. The mafia is also demonstrating. Or maybe it’s me who got it all wrong…

(October 9, 2022 at 6:55 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:

(October 9, 2022 at 2:05 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: I was watching the news a minute ago. In the city of Sanandaj they shot a man in his car, on the head, because he was blowing the horn in his car.
 
   So I don’t know if you are right but if you are, Joe Biden should probably send the leader of some local cartel to deal with this “government”. As the Iranian-born Masih Alinejad put it in her speech two days ago, I don’t know why Ibrahim Raisi is still allowed to make a speech in the UN and I don’t know why Mr. Macron is shaking his hand.
   If I was the president of any civilized country. I’d make a deal with my local mafia to talk with this guys. Why does a president talk to these guys. (They just shot the man in the head, while he was sitting in his car because he showed support to the protesters by blowing the horn of the automobile)

   I just heard in the news that the regime said that it was the demonstrators themselves who shot this man while he was seated in his car (with the door closed / I saw the images).

   So if we are to believe this theory… Well. The mafia is also demonstrating. Or maybe it’s me who got it all wrong…

Islam is very mafia. In Islam, it is allowed to lie and kill impeccables and rape women to win over the opponents of Islam.
Islam is a satanic religion.
satanic means anything harmful to mankind.
The Islamic government has placed Hezbollah in every street.
In our street, women and men mercenaries of the government advertise every day, the girls who were killed in this rebellion were prostitutes and harlots, we have a headache.
Fashionable mercenaries advertise in malls, shopping centers, banks, and hospitals that rebel women and girls killed in the uprising are all criminals and prostitutes.
But you all know that all the girls who fought and were killed in this uprising are pure and innocent and a source of pride. Most of them were teenagers. And they were brutally killed with multiple punches in the face.

We know all this. This time they will not be able to simply murder 1500+ person and be able to deny it. This time they are visible. If after all this Mr. Macron goes and shakes the hand of İbrahim Raisi again… well. He will lose many voters. (That’s the least I can say)

In the Islamic regime, many people participate in government demonstrations by obtaining money from the government.
Now the government is so close to the fall that in some cities no one has been demonstrated, even with the offer of money!
In the rest of the cities, few people participated in government demonstrations.
This means that people no longer have government demonstrations.

The most busy demonstration was about 300,000 in the year, but the media announced it as 3 million.

The Iranian people are strange people. In the year 1979, the people would attack the bars and set fire, and the same people broght wine from warehousebof homevand drank it.

(October 10, 2022 at 10:09 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: We know all this. This time they will not be able to simply murder 1500+ person and be able to deny it. This time they are visible. If after all this Mr. Macron goes and shakes the hand of İbrahim Raisi again… well. He will lose many voters. (That’s the least I can say)

After 1979 almost all vots were fake!
Leader or a committee detect how many vote must report to people.
For example in future vote they will rport Raisi has maximum votes.

(October 10, 2022 at 8:51 am)Eclectic Wrote:

(October 9, 2022 at 6:55 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:    I just heard in the news that the regime said that it was the demonstrators themselves who shot this man while he was seated in his car (with the door closed / I saw the images).

   So if we are to believe this theory… Well. The mafia is also demonstrating. Or maybe it’s me who got it all wrong…

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In our street, women and men mercenaries of the government advertise every day, the girls who were killed in this rebellion were prostitutes and harlots, we have a headache.
Fashionable mercenaries advertise in malls, shopping centers, banks, and hospitals that rebel women and girls killed in the uprising are all criminals and prostitutes.
But you all know that all the girls who fought and were killed in this uprising are pure and innocent and a source of pride. Most of them were teenagers. And they were brutally killed with multiple punches in the face.

Yes but who are they to decide if any women is a … let’s say worthy person or unworthy person?
And even racist white-supremacist US cops don’t kill colored people when they are seated in their cars doing nothing but hitting the hornet (or even if they did that was probably in the 50’s or so).
So the second question is who are they to decide who is to live and who is to die?

So the Arabic term for this is shirk. The translation of shirk is polytheism / blasphemy. This means a person has taken some or all of the attributes of God (like the right to decide who is the worthy and who is the unworthy or the right to decide who is to live and who is to die – like that man in the car -) and take these attributes upon himself / herself.

Don’t all start yelling at me. But that’s the philosophical / religious definition of what it is

In religious terms this is an example shirk (polytheism / blasphemy) Not the cartoonists in France. Not Salman Rushdi. This.
 
I don’t have this sort of authority. So I naturally ask “Who are you?”
And if they answer the way I think they will answer. Than this is what I say it is.

Erased.