(November 24, 2022 at 10:54 am)Uberpod Wrote:

(November 24, 2022 at 10:46 am)Uberpod Wrote: Abortion should be legal, of course, but the goal of making it rare should be a high priority as well.

Men should be getting many more vasectomies than they do. It is reversible!  Why not pay dudes to be unable tp procreate from 18- 25?

Are there medical conditions that prevent reversal? (serious question)

Vasectomies should NOT be regarded as reversible.

While it *is* possible, it is far from guaranteed and it is a MUCH more delicate and expensive procedure. Also, the amount of time since the original vasectomy can be relevant. Don't expect a lot of success after 10-15 years.

That said, if a *reliable* way was to be found to perform vasectomies that allowed reliable reversal, then giving ALL male children vasectomies at birth to be reversed upon request would be perfectly acceptable to me.

(November 24, 2022 at 11:11 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 24, 2022 at 10:54 am)Uberpod Wrote: Men should be getting many more vasectomies than they do. It is reversible!  Why not pay dudes to be unable tp procreate from 18- 25?

Are there medical conditions that prevent reversal? (serious question)

A vasectomy is not always reversible and it is an expensive, elective surgery.

It is not for everyone. But, the efficacy of reversal would be a reasonable expectation for young men as long as it is done within ten years.  The cost for a vasectomy is expected to be under $1000.  Reversal is about $3000 but can be much more in certain cases. Insurance covers vasectomy but not reversal.  Government subsidies and incentives in regard to vasectomies and reversals would seem prudent.  I am not sure that it would not actually increase the risk of STDS though.   Dudes might forego condoms more.

I'm confident that abortion will ALWAYS be available in the US - all you need to do is be Herschel Walker's girlfriend.

Boru

(November 24, 2022 at 11:23 am)polymath257 Wrote:

(November 24, 2022 at 10:54 am)Uberpod Wrote: Men should be getting many more vasectomies than they do. It is reversible!  Why not pay dudes to be unable tp procreate from 18- 25?

Are there medical conditions that prevent reversal? (serious question)

Vasectomies should NOT be regarded as reversible.

While it *is* possible, it is far from guaranteed and it is a MUCH more delicate and expensive procedure. Also, the amount of time since the original vasectomy can be relevant. Don't expect a lot of success after 10-15 years.

That said, if a *reliable* way was to be found to perform vasectomies that allowed reliable reversal, then giving ALL male children vasectomies at birth to be reversed upon request would be perfectly acceptable to me.

I do not think it could be done at birth. At puberty yes. It would seem that certain level of sexual development would seem to be necessary.

(November 24, 2022 at 11:34 am)Uberpod Wrote:

(November 24, 2022 at 11:23 am)polymath257 Wrote: Vasectomies should NOT be regarded as reversible.

While it *is* possible, it is far from guaranteed and it is a MUCH more delicate and expensive procedure. Also, the amount of time since the original vasectomy can be relevant. Don't expect a lot of success after 10-15 years.

That said, if a *reliable* way was to be found to perform vasectomies that allowed reliable reversal, then giving ALL male children vasectomies at birth to be reversed upon request would be perfectly acceptable to me.

I do not think it could be done at birth. At puberty yes. It would seem that certain level of sexual development would seem to be necessary.

I don't see why. The vas deferans would be there at birth. I don't know of any feedback that would make this an issue.

(November 24, 2022 at 11:49 am)polymath257 Wrote:

(November 24, 2022 at 11:34 am)Uberpod Wrote: I do not think it could be done at birth. At puberty yes. It would seem that certain level of sexual development would seem to be necessary.

I don't see why. The vas deferans would be there at birth. I don't know of any feedback that would make this an issue.

 
There are no documented cases of successful, legal vasectomies being performed on someone younger than 18.Jul 30, 2021

Consent issues arise when such a medical procedure is preformed before the age of consent. The kind of enlargement that occurs in regular growth and at puberty is at a scope and scale that makes events less predictable. A percentage of vasectomies at birth would fail and the possibility of reversal may be further limited.  Viewing the current state of technology and its trajectory of improvement is the thing to base legislation on.

(November 24, 2022 at 12:05 pm)Uberpod Wrote:

(November 24, 2022 at 11:49 am)polymath257 Wrote: I don't see why. The vas deferans would be there at birth. I don't know of any feedback that would make this an issue.

 
There are no documented cases of successful, legal vasectomies being performed on someone younger than 18.Jul 30, 2021

Consent issues arise when such a medical procedure is preformed before the age of consent. The kind of enlargement that occurs in regular growth and at puberty is at a scope and scale that makes events less predictable. A percentage of vasectomies at birth would fail and the possibility of reversal may be further limited.  Viewing the current state of technology and its trajectory of improvement is the thing to base legislation on.

I was talking about a possibility of a technological advance that would allow it. Not current technology.

This has brought home how awful the medical system is in the US, I asked for a vasectomy in my mid 30's, it was done about 2 weeks later, cost me nothing except for a day off work. If I had to pay around £1000 I probably wouldn't have done it.

I can't agree with sterilizing a child no matter what the chances of reversal are. It's fine for parents to make decisions about their children but involuntary sterilization shouldn't be on that list.

(November 24, 2022 at 12:38 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: This has brought home how awful the medical system is in the US, I asked for a vasectomy in my mid 30's, it was done about 2 weeks later, cost me nothing except for a day off work. If I had to pay around £1000 I probably wouldn't have done it.

I requested one when I was 22yo and denied because I was 'too young' and, of course, in Kansas.

I managed to get one when I was 23 in Chicago with no hassles. I think it cost $250, but that was back in 1986.