Protests in Iran are not caused by Hijab alone; dipshit, they are caused by:

1-Poverty due to economical sanctions
2-Backward religious laws that belong to the 2nd century BCE
3-Corruption that keeps fortune in the hands of the Shiite Turbans in power.

Hijab should never ever be enforced by force. Turkey is a fine example.

The situation is more complicated than your libido; enticed by seeing Persian thighs and legs (look at the pictures you shared; creep.)

If you force Hijab, you'll cause a revolt. If you force nudity, you shall also cause a revolt. The key is what every decent ruler and society would do: leaving freedom for people to live as they want. There is no harm in putting some boundaries though, respecting the will of the people.

But Iran? the Shiite Turbans refused the flow of life; refused the sound of logic, and just like Wahhabies near them in Saudi Arabia; they shall meet their end soon.

Don't fret though; soon enough non-religious tyrants and thugs would also receive the hammer of change; which is one mighty, harsh hammer that I attribute to the lord himself.

So, freedom, dipshit. Not force.

(December 11, 2022 at 3:12 am)WinterHold Wrote: Protests in Iran are not caused by Hijab alone; dipshit, they are caused by:

1-Poverty due to economical sanctions
2-Backward religious laws that belong to the 2nd century BCE
3-Corruption that keeps fortune in the hands of the Shiite Turbans in power.

Hijab should never ever be enforced by force. Turkey is a fine example.

The situation is more complicated than your libido; enticed by seeing Persian thighs and legs (look at the pictures you shared; creep.)

If you force Hijab, you'll cause a revolt. If you force nudity, you shall also cause a revolt. The key is what every decent ruler and society would do: leaving freedom for people to live as they want. There is no harm in putting some boundaries though, respecting the will of the people.

But Iran? the Shiite Turbans refused the flow of life; refused the sound of logic, and just like Wahhabies near them in Saudi Arabia; they shall meet their end soon.

Don't fret though; soon enough non-religious tyrants and thugs would also receive the hammer of change; which is one mighty, harsh hammer that I attribute to the lord himself.

So, freedom, dipshit. Not force.

Maybe - hear me out - a solution to this problem would be to stop letting Muslims run countries. We can do it on a trial basis. If it works out, we can expand it to all religions.

Boru

(December 11, 2022 at 3:12 am)WinterHold Wrote: 2-Backward religious laws that belong to the 2nd century BCE

...says the guy who wants to legalize chopping off hands for theft.

(December 11, 2022 at 4:53 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(December 11, 2022 at 3:12 am)WinterHold Wrote: 2-Backward religious laws that belong to the 2nd century BCE

...says the guy who wants to legalize chopping off hands for theft.

I’m also unaware of any nation with a law that would ‘force nudity’. I’ve been cited for being naked in public, but never for being clothed.

Boru

(December 11, 2022 at 4:53 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(December 11, 2022 at 3:12 am)WinterHold Wrote: 2-Backward religious laws that belong to the 2nd century BCE

...says the guy who wants to legalize chopping off hands for theft.

In Iran, some thieves have their hands cut off.
Stealing is an injustice to another.
But see what injustice happens to a girl who has not wronged anyone:
In Iran, if a girl or woman sings, she will be sentenced to 4 years in prison.
If a girl walks down the street hand in hand with her boyfriend, she will be sentenced to prison if caught.
Of course, sometimes the judge or the police give up and give a hard sentence. It's a girl's luck who she meets!

(December 11, 2022 at 4:12 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 11, 2022 at 3:12 am)WinterHold Wrote: Protests in Iran are not caused by Hijab alone; dipshit, they are caused by:

1-Poverty due to economical sanctions
2-Backward religious laws that belong to the 2nd century BCE
3-Corruption that keeps fortune in the hands of the Shiite Turbans in power.

Hijab should never ever be enforced by force. Turkey is a fine example.

The situation is more complicated than your libido; enticed by seeing Persian thighs and legs (look at the pictures you shared; creep.)

If you force Hijab, you'll cause a revolt. If you force nudity, you shall also cause a revolt. The key is what every decent ruler and society would do: leaving freedom for people to live as they want. There is no harm in putting some boundaries though, respecting the will of the people.

But Iran? the Shiite Turbans refused the flow of life; refused the sound of logic, and just like Wahhabies near them in Saudi Arabia; they shall meet their end soon.

Don't fret though; soon enough non-religious tyrants and thugs would also receive the hammer of change; which is one mighty, harsh hammer that I attribute to the lord himself.

So, freedom, dipshit. Not force.

Maybe - hear me out - a solution to this problem would be to stop letting Muslims run countries. We can do it on a trial basis. If it works out, we can expand it to all religions.

Boru

It's not up to you, I'm afraid.

Let's face it, Boru: the west created 2 global mega wars called "world war 1 & 2", it held the whole globe hostage to its bloated economic system guarded by the hellish, barbaric system of "Nuclear Deterrence".

It enslaved then annihilated the natives of south and north America; and installed hellish proxies everywhere in the world to ensure its survival.

They turned earth into a bug-like colony, and everywhere they invade they bring destruction, misery and everlasting wars.

Look, even when powers break free to sing outside the herd like China or Russia, these powers are still deformed copies of the same western beast; more like Frankenstein.

You criticising Islam is hilarious; are you sure it's not a strawman you stone to forget the deeds of the west?.

(December 11, 2022 at 4:40 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(December 11, 2022 at 4:12 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Maybe - hear me out - a solution to this problem would be to stop letting Muslims run countries. We can do it on a trial basis. If it works out, we can expand it to all religions.

Boru

It's not up to you, I'm afraid.

Let's face it, Boru: the west created 2 global mega wars called "world war 1 & 2", it held the whole globe hostage to its bloated economic system guarded by the hellish, barbaric system of "Nuclear Deterrence".

It enslaved then annihilated the natives of south and north America; and installed hellish proxies everywhere in the world to ensure its survival.

They turned earth into a bug-like colony, and everywhere they invade they bring destruction, misery and everlasting wars.

Look, even when powers break free to sing outside the herd like China or Russia, these powers are still deformed copies of the same western beast; more like Frankenstein.

You criticising Islam is hilarious; are you sure it's not a strawman you stone to forget the deeds of the west?.

The topic here isn’t the horrors committed by Western civilization (and, as you say, there are plenty). We’re discussing Iran, and YOU, not me, dragged the Saudis into the mix.

It’s not a strawman [sic] for me to discuss what’s being discussed. It is, however, a red herring for you to bring up the myriad crimes of the West when that isn’t topic.

And, for the record, nothing in my post criticized Islam. I was criticizing theocratic governance, which is a different kettle of fish of another colour.

Boru

(December 11, 2022 at 5:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 11, 2022 at 4:40 pm)WinterHold Wrote: It's not up to you, I'm afraid.

Let's face it, Boru: the west created 2 global mega wars called "world war 1 & 2", it held the whole globe hostage to its bloated economic system guarded by the hellish, barbaric system of "Nuclear Deterrence".

It enslaved then annihilated the natives of south and north America; and installed hellish proxies everywhere in the world to ensure its survival.

They turned earth into a bug-like colony, and everywhere they invade they bring destruction, misery and everlasting wars.

Look, even when powers break free to sing outside the herd like China or Russia, these powers are still deformed copies of the same western beast; more like Frankenstein.

You criticising Islam is hilarious; are you sure it's not a strawman you stone to forget the deeds of the west?.

The topic here isn’t the horrors committed by Western civilization (and, as you say, there are plenty). We’re discussing Iran, and YOU, not me, dragged the Saudis into the mix.

It’s not a strawman [sic] for me to discuss what’s being discussed. It is, however, a red herring for you to bring up the myriad crimes of the West when that isn’t topic.

And, for the record, nothing in my post criticized Islam. I was criticizing theocratic governance, which is a different kettle of fish of another colour.

Boru

It's interconnected; I speak from a globalist perspective; not a nationalistic one.
The "Islamic" society is one entity from Morocco to Afghanistan after all; an issue in Iran echos in Egypt, and issue in Syria echos in Turkey and Yemen, and so on.

Similar to the Yanks creating "Al Qaeda" to battle USSR. The Yanks are globalists too; so they utilize that in their wars.

You can't discuss Iran without discussing the western interventions in the affairs of the country (currently the west is the strongest entity controlling the globe through economy and Nuclear force).

In other words; I'm just saying that most moves has western fingerprints, not due to superiority; but due to de-facto economic & military scale.

Just ask yourself this question and you'll see my point: "where did Ruhollah Khomeini get the cash from to support his movement?".

Ask the same question about any global-domestic event, and you'll understand why I go through the long history. The devil is in the details.

(December 11, 2022 at 6:24 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(December 11, 2022 at 5:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The topic here isn’t the horrors committed by Western civilization (and, as you say, there are plenty). We’re discussing Iran, and YOU, not me, dragged the Saudis into the mix.

It’s not a strawman [sic] for me to discuss what’s being discussed. It is, however, a red herring for you to bring up the myriad crimes of the West when that isn’t topic.

And, for the record, nothing in my post criticized Islam. I was criticizing theocratic governance, which is a different kettle of fish of another colour.

Boru

It's interconnected; I speak from a globalist perspective; not a nationalistic one.
The "Islamic" society is one entity from Morocco to Afghanistan after all; an issue in Iran echos in Egypt, and issue in Syria echos in Turkey and Yemen, and so on.

Similar to the Yanks creating "Al Qaeda" to battle USSR. The Yanks are globalists too; so they utilize that in their wars.

You can't discuss Iran without discussing the western interventions in the affairs of the country (currently the west is the strongest entity controlling the globe through economy and Nuclear force).

In other words; I'm just saying that most moves has western fingerprints, not due to superiority; but due to de-facto economic & military scale.

Just ask yourself this question and you'll see my point: "where did Ruhollah Khomeini get the cash from to support his movement?".

Ask the same question about any global-domestic event, and you'll understand why I go through the long history. The devil is in the details.

Then by all means, feel free to go apeshit about globalism in some other thread, but don’t use this one to make false accusations about me.

Boru

(December 11, 2022 at 5:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And, for the record, nothing in my post criticized Islam. I was criticizing theocratic governance, which is a different kettle of fish of another colour.

Boru

Is there any genuine split between the two?  

One that doesn't round down to one group believing in the same thing more strongly than another - I mean?