(February 1, 2023 at 6:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 1, 2023 at 6:07 pm)Justin Case Wrote: You can argue with the scholars ... it was the first version of monotheism - it replaced the polytheism in Egypt - yes. it pissed the people off but there was nothing they could do until he was dead. A bigger connection is tied to the Zoroastrians and Zarathustra's "experience" that started this much deeper picture.

There's no way around it ... the Hebrew GOD was a copy of a copy.

There are fairly strong and well-reasoned arguments among Egyptologists that Atenism was closer to henotheism than to monotheism.

Boru

(February 1, 2023 at 6:47 pm)Justin Case Wrote:

(February 1, 2023 at 6:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: People don't and have never needed to copy gods to believe in gods.  Gods are just one of many examples of multiple independent construction.  The abrahamic god arose from a yahwist cult.

The idea is, these gods (plural) or god (singular) do not exist. They were an interpretational explanation of either something that exists that they didn't understand, or, the ENTIRE picture is made up. If you look at the Egyptian and Sumerian afterlife picture, they were both different explanations. Was the idea of the afterlife right to start with, and these explanation were all made up? We come from thousands of years of natural hallucinogenic drug use, and what these people saw while tripping could be the foundational picture behind everything talked about. Then too, between studies on NDEs (as long as they were shown to be flat line brain dead) and the subject we call the paranormal, there definitely seems to be SOMETHING going on, and the "GOD" idea was just an ancient interpretation of this known about picture.

(February 1, 2023 at 7:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(February 1, 2023 at 6:47 pm)Justin Case Wrote: The idea is, these gods (plural) or god (singular) do not exist. They were an interpretational explanation of either something that exists that they didn't understand, or, the ENTIRE picture is made up. If you look at the Egyptian and Sumerian afterlife picture, they were both different explanations. Was the idea of the afterlife right to start with, and these explanation were all made up? We come from thousands of years of natural hallucinogenic drug use, and what these people saw while tripping could be the foundational picture behind everything talked about. Then too, between studies on NDEs (as long as they were shown to be flat line brain dead) and the subject we call the paranormal, there definitely seems to be SOMETHING going on, and the "GOD" idea was just an ancient interpretation of this known about picture.

The idea of the afterlife predates and is independent of either picture..and not by a little, by a lot.  100kya at least.  You don't need drugs to come up with afterlives.  You need only be able to dream, to love, and to miss the lost.  If you're interested in this, history won't help you, it's prehistory.

(February 1, 2023 at 7:09 pm)Justin Case Wrote:

(February 1, 2023 at 6:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There are fairly strong and well-reasoned arguments among Egyptologists that Atenism was closer to henotheism than to monotheism.

Boru

What gods existed with Aten? According to this article (that I hope doesn't get erased LOL)

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In its early stages, Atenism is best described as a henotheistic religion (a religion devoted to a single god while accepting the existence of other gods) but it developed into a proto-monotheistic system. The full extent of his religious reforms were not apparent until the ninth year of his reign. As well as proclaiming the Aten the only god, he banned the use of idols with the exception of a rayed solar disc. He also made it clear that the image of the Aten only represented the god, but that the god transcended creation and so could not be fully understood or represented. This aspect of his faith bears a notable resemblance to the religion of Moses, prompting Freud to suggest that Akhenaten was the first Monotheist.

(February 1, 2023 at 7:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 1, 2023 at 7:09 pm)Justin Case Wrote: What gods existed with Aten? According to this article (that I hope doesn't get erased LOL)

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In its early stages, Atenism is best described as a henotheistic religion (a religion devoted to a single god while accepting the existence of other gods) but it developed into a proto-monotheistic system. The full extent of his religious reforms were not apparent until the ninth year of his reign. As well as proclaiming the Aten the only god, he banned the use of idols with the exception of a rayed solar disc. He also made it clear that the image of the Aten only represented the god, but that the god transcended creation and so could not be fully understood or represented. This aspect of his faith bears a notable resemblance to the religion of Moses, prompting Freud to suggest that Akhenaten was the first Monotheist.

I’ll answer your questions when you answer mine.

Boru

(February 1, 2023 at 7:50 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: You've got the 30 posts just wait a bit more and you can repost your terrible link no one will click

(February 1, 2023 at 7:53 pm)Justin Case Wrote:

(February 1, 2023 at 7:50 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: You've got the 30 posts just wait a bit more and you can repost your terrible link no one will click

There's no hope for this planet.

I'll be back later.

(February 1, 2023 at 7:45 pm)Justin Case Wrote:

(February 1, 2023 at 7:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’ll answer your questions when you answer mine.

Boru

Dear admin: I brought this up earlier - the link was part of the discussion, and the NOTE on this says:
Note: An exception to the 30/30 requirements is when external content is used within a discussion or with the intention of discussion. For example, a member who has not yet met the 30/30 requirements is allowed to post external content if they are using it as evidence in a discussion, or if it is relevant to the ongoing discussion.

Anyway, I answered your question.