(June 8, 2023 at 4:29 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(May 14, 2023 at 6:51 pm)Ten Wrote: If everything that happens, both "good" and "bad", has a purpose and ultimately good intention behind it(cancer babies die because god has a purpose for it; a young woman is raped because god wanted to teach both her and her rapist a moving, faithful lesson) then it would stand to reason that evil and sin don't actually exist. Not by the definition of something that goes against the will of god. Because he wills everything to happen and he has allowed things to happen as they do because they're specifically a part of his plan. They could have happened a different way but he had them happen this specific way, including the choices of individual humans, because that was his intent.

Sin boils down to anything not in the expressed will of God. Evil is the love of sin. In essence Sin is the ability to be independent of God's expressed will/God's law.

Jesus verifies this in Luke 11 that 'we' here in this world are Not apart of God's immediate kingdom and therefore His will is not done on earth the same way it is followed in Heaven. meaning we on earth can in fact be outside of God's will. The proof of this comes in the way of Evil or rather the ability to love and embrace our sin.

But since God creates evil (present tense), then people committing evil are enacting, not denying, God’s will.

Boru

(June 8, 2023 at 6:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(June 8, 2023 at 4:29 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: Sin boils down to anything not in the expressed will of God. Evil is the love of sin. In essence Sin is the ability to be independent of God's expressed will/God's law.

Jesus verifies this in Luke 11 that 'we' here in this world are Not apart of God's immediate kingdom and therefore His will is not done on earth the same way it is followed in Heaven. meaning we on earth can in fact be outside of God's will. The proof of this comes in the way of Evil or rather the ability to love and embrace our sin.

And yet love of god is so often love of evil.  Welcome.  Can you explain that?

I don't know what you are asking here.

(June 8, 2023 at 6:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 8, 2023 at 4:29 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: Sin boils down to anything not in the expressed will of God. Evil is the love of sin. In essence Sin is the ability to be independent of God's expressed will/God's law.

Jesus verifies this in Luke 11 that 'we' here in this world are Not apart of God's immediate kingdom and therefore His will is not done on earth the same way it is followed in Heaven. meaning we on earth can in fact be outside of God's will. The proof of this comes in the way of Evil or rather the ability to love and embrace our sin.

But since God creates evil (present tense), then people committing evil are enacting, not denying, God’s will.

Boru

God allows mankind to Love their sin. Which is what evil is. God does not put this love of sin in our heart. That is something we do on our own.

Did not God create us to have the desires, drives, and senations that we do? Didn't he make us, for instance, not only capable of enjoying food, but capable of enjoying it too much? Our natures are God-given, are they not? We could easily have been fine-tuned to be more easily satiated, for instance.

You're not taking into account, the god of Abraham is an inept, shortsighted moron.

(June 9, 2023 at 9:45 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 8, 2023 at 6:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But since God creates evil (present tense), then people committing evil are enacting, not denying, God’s will.

Boru

God allows mankind to Love their sin. Which is what evil is. God does not put this love of sin in our heart. That is something we do on our own.

Of course God puts the love of sin in our heart. Love of sin is evil and God creates evil. Therefore God creates the love of sin. Isaiah 45:7.

Boru

(June 9, 2023 at 10:03 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Did not God create us to have the desires, drives, and senations that we do? Didn't he make us, for instance, not only capable of enjoying food, but capable of enjoying it too much? Our natures are God-given, are they not? We could easily have been fine-tuned to be more easily satiated, for instance.

He could have, you are right... If the point was to live a certain way. If this were the case their would not need to to provide any way to atone for sin.

Most people get hung up on the do's and don't of sin. while they are a major component of sin, the whole point of sin itself is to provide Choice. If sin is anything outside the expressed will of God then that essentially makes sin the choice to be, or rather stay outside of the will of God. Which makes you a servant to sin and satan.

That's why All sin is the same to God or rather meets the same end. as it all boils down to, do you choose to serve God and righteousness? or Sin and satan?

(June 9, 2023 at 10:07 am)no one Wrote: You're not taking into account, the god of Abraham is an inept, shortsighted moron.

(June 9, 2023 at 12:53 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 9, 2023 at 10:03 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Did not God create us to have the desires, drives, and senations that we do? Didn't he make us, for instance, not only capable of enjoying food, but capable of enjoying it too much? Our natures are God-given, are they not? We could easily have been fine-tuned to be more easily satiated, for instance.

He could have, you are right... If the point was to live a certain way. If this were the case their would not need to to provide any way to atone for sin.

Most people get hung up on the do's and don't of sin. while they are a major component of sin, the whole point of sin itself is to provide Choice. If sin is anything outside the expressed will of God then that essentially makes sin the choice to be, or rather stay outside of the will of God. Which makes you a servant to sin and satan.

That's why All sin is the same to God or rather meets the same end. as it all boils down to, do you choose to serve God and righteousness? or Sin and satan?

Obviously not a Catholic where not all sins are created equal.  Neither are the punishments the same for all.  And you can pray away your sins.  The Etch-a-Sketch method of having a clean slate.  Say five Hail Marys, an Our Father, and The Act of Contrition.  See ya next week.