Noah needs to build a boat because the children of Yahweh lack the imagination and intelligence to come up with something original, so They stole someone else’s idea. Namely, the common Mesopotamian creation legend that also passed down to us in cuneiform through the epic of Gilgamesh. and the common Mesopotamian creation legend, had somebody build a boat in it

lol….”genetic master”. Then what happened…re-bred all the species we see today in a few k? All completely natural, ofc.

You do hear yourself with this, right?

(June 21, 2023 at 11:19 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(June 21, 2023 at 11:12 am)R-Farmer Wrote: If you need me to explain things for you so they make sense, just ask or PM me.

You have been explaining things.   The only thing the explanation you provided had clarified is you are a disgracefully ignorant and wishthinking idiot upon whose lamentable credulity this malevolent bullshitting religion of yours have gleefully played.

You do know, that when smart people talk, the first person involved in the discussion that has to resort to Ad Hom attacks yields/loose the debate. As it is generally recognized they wish to continue the opposition of the subject matter, but are not able to articulate a viable defense of their position. So they resort to trying to destroy the messenger because they are unable to properly destroy the message.

Stew-pid people on the other hand tend to lead with AD Hom attacks. because they only know "Dis make me Mad! When Me Mad Me Lash out! Me Make Other Man look Stoo-ped in from of me friends by me call him bad Names! Dat Make Me win!! Dat Mean Me smarter-est than Stoo-ped man! Me friends even says so!

Not saying you fall into either category, I leave that for you to decide as I have no way of knowing what you are thinking nor what your intentions are... Just making a clinical observation on how and when people of various intelligence resort to name calling.

Looks like you need someone to clear up what the term ad hom refers to. An ad hom, is when someone says some formal argument of yours is false…because you’re dumb(for example).

Calling you dumb, otoh, is just an insult. I’ll admit I have a hard time believing anyone headed down this road is for real… but I guess it’s just a matter of how much you want to convince people that the insult is accurate.

You know I live just down the way from the ark park. If you’re ever in town and wanna get fleeced hit me up.

(June 21, 2023 at 11:48 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Why would Noah need to build a boat at all, if god wanted to save some animals he could just magic them safe...

Maybe because God is the author and creator of the Natural World. So then why would he create nature in such a way as having to circumvent it with 'magic' when ever He wanted something done? Would it not make more sense that the god who created nature create it in such a way as to not have to do everything supernaturally?

That said the reason God used Noah is found in the first few verses of gen 6. Noah and His House Hold were faithful and righteous. God saved the world though Noah's righteousness and faithfulness.

Quote:he is supposed to all powerful after all.

If and when you become a parent you will quickly realize that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.

Quote:What happened to the fish, salt water fish die in fresh water, fresh water fish die in salt water, did he just magic up a divider in the water to keep the salty water seperate from the fresh?

Salt water and fresh water does not mix at or on large scale unless agitated.. Fresh water is lighter and would be up top, then a layer of brackish water where a small percent of the salt and fresh did mix (water down salt water due to the agitation provided by the wind and waves) then the heavier salt water will be on the bottom. This brackish layer would cause most fist to turn and go back where they came from keeping the two Ecco systems separate.

Fl's aquifer (All of Florid'a under ground drinking water) sits on top of sea water, sometimes with no brackish water barrier. It is very beautiful to see, you can google: where fresh water meets salt water. I'd post a link but the 30/30 rule says I can't.

(June 21, 2023 at 10:54 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 21, 2023 at 8:10 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Not familiar with “AND their food”

Got the chapter and verse for that?

NIV, Gen 6:20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.” So food or food animals were not to be counted in the 'pairs'

Quote:I was hoping you would bring up “'order to make it 7 pairs of clean animals and 2 pairs of unclean at the time they were loaded into the ark.”


That really changes how crowded and how much food would be needed, huh R?

Nope. Not if 98% of all birds, insects, and reptiles are in egg form, and 95% of all mammals are in baby form. Not to mention there are more unclean animals than clean animals.
This would mean no food needed for the insects birds or reptiles stored as eggs. And if the majority of the mammals are drinking milk then all one would need is lots of hay for the dairy animals.

Quote:What gymnastics maneuver is needed for this?

Maybe you haven't put it together yet but this whole putting eggs on the ark and baby mammals instead of full size adults is what makes it all work, as again it reduces the space needed to house the animals, the variety/quantity of food needed, any specialized environment requirement they may have or may create, and any threats from predatory or parasitic passengers on the ark.

“Nope. Not if 98% of all birds, insects, and reptiles are in egg form,”

How many eggs stay unhatched for…. How many days was the ark drifting around?

300 plus day?


Let’s hear more majik to explain it


Chapter and verse of gathering eggs please?

(June 21, 2023 at 12:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Looks like you need someone to clear up what the term ad hom refers to.  An ad hom, is when someone says some formal argument of yours is false…because you’re dumb(for example).

Calling you dumb, otoh, is just an insult.  I’ll admit I have a hard time believing anyone headed down this road is for real… but I guess it’s just a matter of how much you want to convince people that the insult is accurate.

You know I live just down the way from the ark park.  If you’re ever in town and wanna get fleeced hit me up.

then maybe you should let the good people at merrier Webster or dictionary dot com know they screw up:

ad hominem

hŏm′ə-nĕm″, -nəm
adjective

1. Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument.
   
2. Appealing to the emotions rather than to logic or reason.
   
3. Of or relating to ad hominem.
   

Seems to me this god chap just tries to do things in the hardest most complicated way possibe, the best thing to do is have nothing to do with him/it

(June 21, 2023 at 12:08 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 21, 2023 at 11:19 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: You have been explaining things.   The only thing the explanation you provided had clarified is you are a disgracefully ignorant and wishthinking idiot upon whose lamentable credulity this malevolent bullshitting religion of yours have gleefully played.

You do know, that when smart people talk, the first person involved in the discussion that has to resort to Ad Hom attacks yields/loose the debate. As it is generally recognized they wish to continue the opposition of the subject matter, but are not able to articulate a viable defense of their position. So they resort to trying to destroy the messenger because they are unable to properly destroy the message.

Stew-pid people on the other hand tend to lead with AD Hom attacks. because they only know "Dis make me Mad! When Me Mad Me Lash out! Me Make Other Man look Stoo-ped in from of me friends by me call him bad Names! Dat Make Me win!! Dat Mean Me smarter-est than Stoo-ped man! Me friends even says so!

Not saying you fall into either category, I leave that for you to decide as I have no way of knowing what you are thinking nor what your intentions are... Just making a clinical observation on how and when people of various intelligence resort to name calling.

1. “you are ignorant or stupid” is not an ad hominem attack.   it is an observation or assertion.

2. “you are wrong because your arguments do not make sense and contradict known facts” is not an ad hominem attack.  it is also an observation or assertion.

3. “you are wrong because your arguments do not make sense and contradict known facts, and you must be very ignorant or stupid to get it so wrong ” is also not an ad hominem attack.  it is also an observation, followed by a explanatory hypothesis.   the fact that the explanatory hypothesis is not flattering does not make it as hominem.

4. “you are wrong because you are ignorant and stupid” is an ad hominem attack. 

I may be guilty of 1, 2, and 3, but not 4.   

So you can’t dodge by calling foul on a hold that was not made.

(June 21, 2023 at 12:30 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: then maybe you should let the good people at merrier Webster or dictionary dot com know they screw up:

ad hominem

hŏm′ə-nĕm″, -nəm
adjective

1. Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument.
   
2. Appealing to the emotions rather than to logic or reason.
   
3. Of or relating to ad hominem.
   

Come now, there’s no sense in blaming Webster for your fuckup.

Now you know. I trust you won’t keep making the same mistake going forward.