(June 22, 2023 at 11:20 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 11:04 am)R-Farmer Wrote: did Noah know that plants breathed? did God send any plants to Noah one male one female? Did god have plants march onto the ark? As breathing was only one requirement of getting on the ark.

Noah didn;t know and god didn’t know,

 But that’s because both Noah was the figment of the imagination of people who concocted the flood story probably during the late Stone Age,  whose tale was then stolen by ignorant Bronze Age hucksters who made up this Yahweh character , so neither yehweh nor Noah would have known what people who were probably ignorant even by the standards of the Bronze Age happen to not know.

you are aware that over 700 cultures record a great flood and the world being saved by some sort of great ark/noah type right? When 700 hundred culture from all over the world all retain and retake a singular narrative it become more than just a camp fire story.

(June 22, 2023 at 11:34 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 11:20 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Noah didn;t know and god didn’t know,

 But that’s because both Noah was the figment of the imagination of people who concocted the flood story probably during the late Stone Age,  whose tale was then stolen by ignorant Bronze Age hucksters who made up this Yahweh character , so neither yehweh nor Noah would have known what people who were probably ignorant even by the standards of the Bronze Age happen to not know.

you are aware that over 700 cultures record a great flood and the world being saved by some sort of great ark/noah type right? When 700 hundred culture from all over the world all retain and retake a singular narrative it become more than just a camp fire story.

Over 700 culture telling it in no ways makes it true in any significant way, much less literally true.    Camp fire stories gets passed around, until if it had a grain of truth, that grain became largely invisible behind the bullshit accummulated by people who don;t really even have a clear understanding what facts actually  even means as a concept.

And you are aware that an area was their world. Therefore, an area flood would have been considered a world flood. Which is the narrative that better fits the geological evidence.

If there are to be no other gods before the imbecilic, ridiclous, and utterly preposterous god of the babble as deemed so in the very first commandment, why are there other gods that predate this bozo by thousands of years?


Was the Stegosaurus granted access to magic kingdom? Any of the Pterosaurs?

(June 22, 2023 at 11:27 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 11:20 am)R-Farmer Wrote: "Sometimes the porous rock layers become tilted in the earth. There might be a confining layer of less porous rock both above and below the porous layer. This is an example of a confined aquifer. In this case, the rocks surrounding the aquifer confines the pressure in the porous rock and its water. If a well is drilled into this "pressurized" aquifer, the internal pressure might (depending on the ability of the rock to transport water) be enough to push the water up the well and up to the surface without the aid of a pump, sometimes completely out of the well. This type of well is called artesian. The pressure of water from an artesian well can be quite dramatic.

A relationship does not necessarily exist between the water-bearing capacity of rocks and the depth at which they are found. A very dense granite that will yield little or no water to a well may be exposed at the land surface. Conversely, a porous sandstone may lie hundreds or thousands of feet below the land surface and may yield hundreds of gallons per minute of water. Rocks that yield freshwater  have been found at depths of more than 6,000 feet, and salty water has come from oil wells at depths of more than 30,000 feet. On the average, however, the porosity and permeability of rocks decrease as their depth below land surface increases; the pores and cracks in rocks at great depths are closed or greatly reduced in size because of the weight of overlying rocks."

Sourced from the United States geological survey website.

Uh, quote mining without an understanding of the actual science behind it may do for showing off how pathetic is one’s attachment to fantasies in the “scripture”.    but it will not do as substitute for actual knowledge of reality

The porous aquifer in the shallow crust does not contain 3 times as much water as on the surface.    The 3 times as much water that is inside the earth primarily exist inside the mantle of the earth much deeper down, in chemically bound water inside mantle rocks.   They don’t exist 30,000 feet down.   They exist from 30-3000 miles down.   They are not wet, as you might be able to frame in reference.   They did not get down there because water percolated through the aquafer.   They were there either as original part of earth’s composition, or were dragged under when water saturated sediments became pulled into the mantle at subduction plate boundaries over the age of the earth.  And they return slowly to the surface through volcanos, and slowly is good because they are explosive when they are brought up to the surface quickly.

Maybe you ought look up and read the initial PBS article I referenced. It explains it all in greater detail. I posted the artisan well quote from the USGS because it simplified the whole PBS "ringwoodite/water retention thing and explains it simply to something you might relate to. because you did not seem to either read the material I originally referenced or you did not fully understand it. Which is why I offered the USGS article.

So, do you really need me to really connect the dots? If I do I might sound a little condescending drawing parallels between the two articles.

I'm sorry I could not post the actual link to the articles as this would have made it simpler to follow, but the 30/30 is still in effect.

(June 22, 2023 at 12:19 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 11:27 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Uh, quote mining without an understanding of the actual science behind it may do for showing off how pathetic is one’s attachment to fantasies in the “scripture”.    but it will not do as substitute for actual knowledge of reality

The porous aquifer in the shallow crust does not contain 3 times as much water as on the surface.    The 3 times as much water that is inside the earth primarily exist inside the mantle of the earth much deeper down, in chemically bound water inside mantle rocks.   They don’t exist 30,000 feet down.   They exist from 30-3000 miles down.   They are not wet, as you might be able to frame in reference.   They did not get down there because water percolated through the aquafer.   They were there either as original part of earth’s composition, or were dragged under when water saturated sediments became pulled into the mantle at subduction plate boundaries over the age of the earth.  And they return slowly to the surface through volcanos, and slowly is good because they are explosive when they are brought up to the surface quickly.

Maybe you ought look up and read the initial PBS article I referenced. It explains it all in greater detail. I posted the artisan well quote from the USGS because it simplified the whole PBS "ringwoodite/water retention thing and explains it simply to something you might relate to easier. because you did not seem to either read the material I originally referenced or you did not fully understand it. Which is why I offered the USGS article.

So, do you really need me to really connect the dots? If I do I might sound a little condescending drawing parallels between the two articles.

I'm sorry I could not post the actual link to the articles as this would have made it simpler to follow, but the 30/30 is still in effect.

i have already drawn the dots for you.  

You should also have learned all this in high school earth science class in the 8th or 9th grade if you took it within the last 40 years or so, and paid half as much attention as you might have to bible studies.    But  instead of following the dots, you are huffing and puffing.

(June 22, 2023 at 10:43 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 10:16 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Do you have any real citations other than the bible?

Don’t take the “lean not on your own understanding” so seriously

the Bible is god's understanding, "other sources" would be our understanding. Why would you tell me to "lean not on my/our own understanding" and at the same time ignore God's understanding, in favor of our own understanding?

I think it sad people like you aren’t allowed to think for yourself 

Can I get an amen?

(June 22, 2023 at 11:37 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 11:34 am)R-Farmer Wrote: you are aware that over 700 cultures record a great flood and the world being saved by some sort of great ark/noah type right? When 700 hundred culture from all over the world all retain and retake a singular narrative it become more than just a camp fire story.

Over 700 culture telling it in no ways makes it true in any significant way, much less literally true.    Camp fire stories gets passed around, until if it had a grain of truth, that grain became largely invisible behind the bullshit accummulated by people who don;t really even have a clear understanding what facts actually  even means as a concept.

Just bear with me.

Let's say the world today experiences a pole reversal and it causes a massive global tsunami it wipes out everything, and everyone except those who had the foresight to bunker down like in the Colorado's or Norway's doomsday vault Which is essentially what the ark is (A repository of seed and I think even animal embryos.. what Noah's story does. Now lets say it takes 6000 years for humanity and the world to recover to the same point (more or less) to where the world is now. What indicators do you think would exist of us, and the flood 6000 years into our future? Would anything exist but a tale of a great flood that almost every single civilization who can be traced back to that period one way or another all have in common?

Again this is an example of the need for establishing what the evidence would in fact look like/Could possibly exist, BEFORE insisting/demanding that evidence can be only presented through a specific confirmation bias.

It is unrealistic to demand that specific evidence be provided, if none is available or could not possibly exist. which is what makes such an unreasonable demand a confirmation bias.

Meaning with in the frame work of a great global flood nothing could have survived but exactly what we have now. 700+ civilization who can trace themselves back to the point where these stories were told and they all share the common key points of this story.

(June 22, 2023 at 11:37 am)Tomato Wrote: And you are aware that an area was their world. Therefore, an area flood would have been considered a world flood. Which is the narrative that better fits the geological evidence.

that is completely plausible as well.

 but it no fun defending that explanation.

(June 22, 2023 at 11:43 am)no one Wrote: If there are to be no other gods before the imbecilic, ridiclous, and utterly preposterous god of the babble as deemed so in the very first commandment, why are there other gods that predate this bozo by thousands of years?

They don't pre-date God. Only the religions of those other people do. As God was still god pre flood. He worked with Noah and his family. To which Noah had a son Hamm. who became the father of those in whom you speak. They too have a great flood account as their 'father' literally went through it. Does it mean that those people preserved the flood account from Hamm As God did through Moses (2000 years after the flood.)

Quote:Was the Stegosaurus granted access to magic kingdom? Any of the Pterosaurs?

I do not know what you are asking.