I've always regarded myself as a 7, at least for the past 3 or 4 years. The idea of a God is just so absurd that I have severe concerns about anyone who gives it any real thought and still sincerely believes. I know it can be hard to shed long held beliefs, but the concept is just so stupid.

I'd have to say I am a 6. I don't believe in gods at all, but only because I have never seen evidence that gods exist. Yahweh doesn't exist. I'm a 7 concerning Yahweh, and his little bastard incarnate, Jesus.

I'm not altogether happy with the discriptors for each category. Here is a revised version but I have no doubt they could be improved more.


Category 1: Strong theist “I know God exists 100% and so should you." Fervent belief. Makes little or no distinction between objective and subjective certainty.

Category 2: God exists but recognizes that faith or grace (or some such subjective component) is required for others to adopt the same belief.

Category 3: Probability higher than 50% but not very high. Little certainty but leans toward a belief in god(s).

Category 4: Probability exactly 50%. Completely impartial agnostic. Makes little or no distinction between objective and subjective certainty. Denies subjective certainty without objective support.

Category 5: Probability lower that 50% but not very low. Little certainty but leans toward disbelief in god(s).

Category 6: Does not believe in god(s) but recognizes that there is a subjective component required for disbelief which no objective argument can overcome.

Category 7: Strong atheist “I know there is no God and so should you”. Fervent disbelief. Makes little or no distinction between objective and subjective certainty.


Being a 6 doesn't mean that I'm any less certain than a 7 that gods do not exist. It is only in evaluating the beliefs of others that a 7 differs from a 6, or a 1 differs from a 2. All four of these categories describe people with virtual certainty, but a 2 or a 6 recognize the futility and unreasonableness of insisting that others believe as we do.

(December 13, 2011 at 2:08 pm)whateverist Wrote: However that doesn't mean I have any evidence that god does not exist. Do you?

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I know how the idea came to be!. I know that God is a joke!
What more proof you want? Evidence that the subject of a joke does not exist in material or spiritual form?

(December 13, 2011 at 9:28 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: I'm working on an hypothesis to falsify theology across the board.

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If you mean it I can be of help, because apart from regarding Gwyneth a goddess too, I also love Seth for being a god-killing god! (that is no joke).

(December 14, 2011 at 8:04 am)dtango Wrote:

(December 13, 2011 at 2:08 pm)whateverist Wrote: However that doesn't mean I have any evidence that god does not exist. Do you?

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I know how the idea came to be!. I know that God is a joke!
What more proof you want? Evidence that the subject of a joke does not exist in material or spiritual form?

(December 13, 2011 at 9:28 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: I'm working on an hypothesis to falsify theology across the board.

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If you mean it I can be of help, because apart from regarding Gwyneth a goddess too, I also love Seth for being a god-killing god! (that is no joke).

Unofficial Temple of Set business:


There is a wealth of "paranormal event" hidden in the above box - along with what may be the frontier of science - but I know what Paul did, and I know how he did it. Christianity can keep their mustard seeds; my faith is the universe.

But it is mere perspective without the science - I got it on order - and eleven years ago I wuz just certified psychopath and convicted felon. I didn't have a "jailhouse conversion;" what I had is the title to some Heinlein. Time Enough for Love.

The Trinity has once more resurfaced - /Love is Void/ - those three words, and what those three words mean; are all the meaning in the meta to the metaphysics.. All of it.

Wanna help? Be an atheist. Check. I'm helpin'

(December 14, 2011 at 8:04 am)dtango Wrote: I know how the idea came to be!. I know that God is a joke!
What more proof you want? Evidence that the subject of a joke does not exist in material or spiritual form?

You know that God is a joke. You know that god does not exist. Like the Theists you claim to know much more than I know. Like them you offer little more than "it's obvious". In my book, ridiculing the opposing view point doesn't count as an argument. Also like the Theists, you have absolute certainty in your beliefs. It will be hard for 7th degree atheists or 1st degree theists to learn and grow if they are no longer entertaining new ideas. All that certainty can really get in the way.

(December 15, 2011 at 12:01 am)whateverist Wrote: All that certainty can really get in the way.

The one certainty in the known universe is moral certainty. I have moral certainty; I'm the 8, he's only a 7.

Know what else? Faith goes better with atheism. Faith is defined as sincerity, is it not? Is it not your sincerity, to express a 6? To think that, with infinite possibility; someone, somewhere, somehow, somebody had a real faith in a real god, yes?

I have faith in Gwyneth Paltrow. She created me, I created the universe (yeah, I'm the evil one); case closed.

You are without sin, everything else is my fault; what else you need to know?

What gets in the way is the same morality that knows the way. Yours. There is no argument for theism over atheism; what is argued is the faith of those who are morally certain.

(December 15, 2011 at 12:01 am)whateverist Wrote: You know that God is a joke. You know that god does not exist. Like the Theists you claim to know much more than I know.

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I know more than you know because I have studied the subject in question more than you have. I know how the idea of the existence of a God was produced and how it had evolved.
In order for you to realize that without the proper information one may not have a proper idea of what “gods” or “God” means, I will cite a passage from the ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts and I will ask you to comment on it:

The opening passage of Spell 173 reads:

NOT TO EAT FAECES AND NOT O DRINK URINE IN THE PLACE OF THE GODS.
What I doubly detest, I will not eat. Faeces is my detestation, and I will not eat it. Filth shall not enter into this mouth of mine, and |I will not eat it with my mouth, I will not touch it with my finger, I will not tread on it with my toes, because I will not eat faeces for you (the gods are meant, see below), I will not drink urine for you, I will not go upside down for you, I will not accept this “mat of Shesmetet”(?) for you; because I will not eat for you this filth which issued from the hinder parts of Osiris.
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“Eat this excrement which issued from the hinder parts of Osiris; what (else) can you live on?” say these gods to me!

Egyptians were the most intelligent people of the ancient world, don’t forget.

(December 15, 2011 at 12:01 am)whateverist Wrote: Like them you offer little more than "it's obvious". In my book, ridiculing the opposing view point doesn't count as an argument. Also like the Theists, you have absolute certainty in your beliefs. It will be hard for 7th degree atheists or 1st degree theists to learn and grow if they are no longer entertaining new ideas. All that certainty can really get in the way.

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My certainty is based on a new idea which is the product of study. Are you interested in new ideas?

(December 15, 2011 at 2:59 am)dtango Wrote: My certainty is based on a new idea which is the product of study. Are you interested in new ideas?

I like how some ideas are never new. Like this beauty:


Be alive and move about every day, akhified in your identity of the Akhet, from which the Sun
emerges, esteemed, sharp, ba, and in control for the course of eternity

You're helping already. How come I'm reading, unified in your identity of the universe?

That's some beautiful work, by the way.

(December 15, 2011 at 4:24 am)houseofcantor Wrote: You're helping already. How come I'm reading, unified in your identity of the universe?

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Very poetic, indeed!
As regards the funerary texts, however, what poesy is there has been added in order to cover up the ugly reality.

P.S: What work are you referring to?