So  now you changed the Strobel thing to this : 

Quote:“The Catholic Church, that Imperishable Handiwork of our All-Merciful God, has for her immediate and natural purpose the Saving of Souls [i.e. leading them to Eternal Happiness in Heaven]. Yet, in regard to things temporal, she is the source of benefits as manifold and great as if the chief end of her existence were to ensure the prospering of our earthly lives [i.e. greatly advancing the temporal happiness of men and women also].” ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei.

"In modern times, the Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider of health care in the world. Catholic religious have been responsible for founding and running networks of hospitals across the world where medical research continues to be advanced." Wikipedia, a Practical Example and a Clear Illustration of what the Pope said.

The Catholic Church is one of THE if not THE largest cause of the sexual abuse of children and young people in the entire world. Millions and millions of them. BY YOUR CLERGY. 
Why can't your Jebus stop that ? The church is evil. Totally evil. In modern times your church is the cause of innumerable hypocrisies and sexual abuse. 
Who are you trying to kid ? We're not as stupid as you think we are. 

(July 8, 2023 at 1:53 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: So  now you changed the Strobel thing to this : 

Quote:“The Catholic Church, that Imperishable Handiwork of our All-Merciful God, has for her immediate and natural purpose the Saving of Souls [i.e. leading them to Eternal Happiness in Heaven]. Yet, in regard to things temporal, she is the source of benefits as manifold and great as if the chief end of her existence were to ensure the prospering of our earthly lives [i.e. greatly advancing the temporal happiness of men and women also].” ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei.

"In modern times, the Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider of health care in the world. Catholic religious have been responsible for founding and running networks of hospitals across the world where medical research continues to be advanced." Wikipedia, a Practical Example and a Clear Illustration of what the Pope said.

The Catholic Church is one of THE if not THE largest cause of the sexual abuse of children and young people in the entire world. Millions and millions of them. BY YOUR CLERGY. 
Why can't your Jebus stop that ? The church is evil. Totally evil. In modern times you church is the cause of innumerable hypocrisies and sexual abuse. 
Who are you trying to kid ? We're not as stupid as you think we are. 

The sad part is how catholics hold themselves up as the 'moral' standard of the community. And yet, catholics still don't get it. I blame 'golden ticket' appeal.

(July 8, 2023 at 3:23 pm)brewer Wrote:

(July 8, 2023 at 1:53 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: So  now you changed the Strobel thing to this : 


The Catholic Church is one of THE if not THE largest cause of the sexual abuse of children and young people in the entire world. Millions and millions of them. BY YOUR CLERGY. 
Why can't your Jebus stop that ? The church is evil. Totally evil. In modern times you church is the cause of innumerable hypocrisies and sexual abuse. 
Who are you trying to kid ? We're not as stupid as you think we are. 

The sad part is how catholics hold themselves up as the 'moral' standard of the community. And yet, catholics still don't get it. I blame 'golden ticket' appeal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KQaBxRt_bM

(July 8, 2023 at 3:32 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(July 8, 2023 at 3:23 pm)brewer Wrote: The sad part is how catholics hold themselves up as the 'moral' standard of the community. And yet, catholics still don't get it. I blame 'golden ticket' appeal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KQaBxRt_bM

Sorry, didn't watch. I'm not into battling the knuckleheads as some of the rest of our forum are.

(July 8, 2023 at 4:43 pm)brewer Wrote:

(July 8, 2023 at 3:32 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KQaBxRt_bM

Sorry, didn't watch. I'm not into battling the knuckleheads as some of the rest of our forum are.

Not into having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent?

(June 17, 2023 at 5:18 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: 1. Christopher Hitchens is alleged to have written supposedly un-answerable arguments against Christian Theism.

Christopher isn't alleged to have written supposedly any arguments against theism. The guy isn't a philosopher he's just a journalist who happens to have serious talent with words, nothing else. He also doesn't know my Islamic religion well, he actually acknowledged that, I think.

(July 8, 2023 at 5:10 pm)Loaded dice Wrote:

(June 17, 2023 at 5:18 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: 1. Christopher Hitchens is alleged to have written supposedly un-answerable arguments against Christian Theism.

Christopher isn't alleged to have written supposedly any arguments against theism. The guy isn't a philosopher he's just a journalist who happens to have serious talent with words, nothing else. He also doesn't know my Islamic religion well, he actually acknowledged that, I think.

I'll wager Hitchens knew more about Islam than you know about Hitchens. For example, you should know enough about him to refer to him in the past tense.

Boru

(July 8, 2023 at 5:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 8, 2023 at 5:10 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: Christopher isn't alleged to have written supposedly any arguments against theism. The guy isn't a philosopher he's just a journalist who happens to have serious talent with words, nothing else. He also doesn't know my Islamic religion well, he actually acknowledged that, I think.

I'll wager Hitchens knew more about Islam than you know about Hitchens. For example, you should know enough about him to refer to him in the past tense.

Boru

Yeah I know he's dead a long time ago if that's what you mean.

No matter what Hitchens knew about Islam, he's not or wasn't a philosopher of religions, that's it. A journalist can't authoritatively criticize religions. Just because he's famous on Youtube doesn't means his words are timeless wisdom.

And remember that he identifies himself as an anti theist, which means he's always going to be biased against religions.

(July 8, 2023 at 5:38 pm)Loaded dice Wrote:

(July 8, 2023 at 5:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'll wager Hitchens knew more about Islam than you know about Hitchens. For example, you should know enough about him to refer to him in the past tense.

Boru

Yeah I know he's dead a long time ago if that's what you mean.

No matter what Hitchens knew about Islam, he's not or wasn't a philosopher of religions, that's it. A journalist can't authoritatively criticize religions. Just because he's famous on Youtube doesn't means his words are timeless wisdom.

And remember that he identifies himself as an anti theist, which means he's always going to be biased against religions.

Why can’t a journalist authoritatively criticize religion? Since theology is a subject with no content, it seems as though anyone is qualified to criticize religion. For example, I’m a blacksmith and I know that Islam is a backward, childish, barbaric set of beliefs only suited for ignorant savages.

Christopher Hitchens is no longer biased against religions. He stopped being biased almost twelve years ago.

Boru

(July 8, 2023 at 5:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Why can’t a journalist authoritatively criticize religion?

Because he doesn't specialize in religions.

(July 8, 2023 at 5:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Since theology is a subject with no content

False. Theology is full of content even if you don't agree with all of it or some of it.

(July 8, 2023 at 5:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: it seems as though anyone is qualified to criticize religion.

That's wrong.