(March 28, 2023 at 9:50 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Burning a book to prevent other people from reading it is an admission that you fear the ideas presented in it and how persuasive you think they are.

That can't be done. It doesn't work.
I don’t think anyone is burning “a book” to prevent other people from reading it.

We entered the mass production age sometime in the 18xx and we entered the electronic information age around 1955 (I think this is when at Bell labs, the first silicon based transistor was made).
Along with many other events around these time periods, we ended up with high speed printing machines.
You can find newspaper all over the streets.

Thanks to the information age, you can find CDs, DVDs, cassette tapes all over the streets.
People throw away working computers with multi gigabyte hard drives.

Your Koran is all over the place. You can easily find it on the web.
Some isamic organization can pay and have the Koran printed and they could leave it at bus stops or at motels or fly a plane over the city and throw millions of copies.

There used to be some organization that left Bibles at motels. They called it gideon’s Bible or something.

I’m sure that you can find some mormon young guys and asked them for a copy of the Book of Mormon. I’m sure they give it for free.

(March 28, 2023 at 9:50 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Burning a book to prevent other people from reading it is an admission that you fear the ideas presented in it and how persuasive you think they are.

That might be true if not for the hundreds of millions of copies readily available.

Florida tried to ban a number of books and only ended up making them best sellers on Amazon.

Protecting a holy book means you find something redeemable, admirable or irreplaceable about its contents. 

 Even The Great Pastafarian Tome itself handed to us by the almighty closes with FSMs final words  "Verily I must return to the cosmos but bestow my last wisdom unto you, tis but a book. True knowledge is experienced my children. Don't take the life I have given too seriously. You only live once." Ramen

I didn't say it was rational.

(March 30, 2023 at 3:01 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(March 28, 2023 at 9:50 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Burning a book to prevent other people from reading it is an admission that you fear the ideas presented in it and how persuasive you think they are.

Florida tried to ban a number of books and only ended up making them best sellers on Amazon.

I looked into it.

This one says that no books have been banned
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fact...876468001/



This one seems to say that books or classes are banned or rejected.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/florida-...d=96884323
“Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in April signed the "Stop WOKE" act, which restricts lessons and training on race and diversity in schools and in the workplace, particularly anything that discusses privilege or oppression based on race, or whether someone "bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress" due to U.S. racial history. WOKE in the bill stands for "Wrongs to Our Kids and Employees."”


This one says there is a ban but no mention of what was banned.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...70116.html
“The book removals are the latest chapter in a campaign by Ron DeSantis, the Republican governor of Florida, to control public school education through his office by the banning of books, lessons and speech he deems to be objectionable.”


Apparently someone made a fake banned books list and it was being shared by “the internet”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florid...libraries/
“The list was originally posted by the owner of a Twitter account using the profile name "Freesus Patriot." That person stated the purpose of the original post was to mock various schools in Florida that were removing books from shelves in response to political pressure.”


So, I guess the entire thing is about republicans who don’t want abortion rights, LGBT rights, african-american rights and history to be talked about in the classroom.

Kuwait is now distributing 100,000 free Swedish translations of the Quran in Sweden in “an effort to educate the Swedish people on Islamic values of coexistence.”
 
The U.S. State Department condemned the desecration of the Quran in Stockholm, but said Swedish authorities were right to authorize the small protest where it occurred:
 
"We believe that demonstration creates an environment of fear that will impact the ability of Muslims and members of other religious minority groups from freely exercising their right to freedom of religion or belief in Sweden,"
 
The United Nations Human Rights Council has also adopted a resolution Wednesday condemning the burning of the Quran as an act of religious hatred.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kuwait-distri...00067.html
 
- I think this is the right approach here. I think political islamist mass demonstrations in which Swedish and other flags are being burned are completely out of context and are using this issue of non-tolerance toward minority groups for other distorted goals.
 
I think this is how we are supposed to respond to that. Not through hatred. My favorite quote in this article is “To educate … people on Islamic values of coexistence”.
 
So: Good job Kuwait!

(January 25, 2023 at 8:58 am)Leonardo17 Wrote:

(January 24, 2023 at 2:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Burning a book - any book - is not a hate crime. It’s stupid, childish, and spiteful, but not a hate crime.

Boru

Yes. And That’s what the Swedish Government is saying. And they are right, you may be not liking a book, a book being a physical object you have the right to burn it. That’s their law.
 
But look at his face: This is a Hitler loving / Muslim hating psychopath. That’s what he is doing. So I reserve the right to call him a SoB. And that’s my freedom of expression.

Being a Muslim hater or a Hitler lover does not make a legal act, no matter how petty or spiteful, by that person a hate crime. Your free expression of your opinion has been noted, please respect the same right in others, thanks.

(January 26, 2023 at 2:09 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:

(January 25, 2023 at 5:51 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: That's a waste; There are tons of things to do with it;

Line a bird cage

Fold the pages into fun origami

Paper mache

Toilet paper

general arts and crafts

It’s just that it means something to some people. What do you call me if I do anything like that with an original disc from Elvis Presley? You will call me something right?
 
And it’s a cultural element too. I don’t believe in Voodoo. But I won’t do any of these things to a voodoo idol.

"The Lord of the Rings" has deep meaning to millions of people, yet no one holds that book to the particular standard to which all those holey books are held.

People being offended by the burning of a holey book are simply too fucking thin skinned.

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(January 26, 2023 at 2:15 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:

(January 25, 2023 at 9:11 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: It's a book it doesn't have feelings. In this particular case, there are literally millions of copies.

In a multicultural world it is always better to try not to hurt the feelings of other communities. I am rarely wrong about these things and here it is:
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/two...023-01-25/
 
Palestinian man, German train, Knife attack. 2 dead, several wounded.
 
Not everyone can have my stoic approach toward this Neo-Nazi man. Some will feel insulted. Some will even use such events to put fuel on the fire. So my position stands

And many will look at what was done, shrug their shoulders and ask, "So the fuck what?"

(March 26, 2023 at 11:12 pm)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Which principle are you talking about?

The general principle is that generally, the only people who burn books are religious fundamentalist nutters or fascists and that we really shouldn't be emulating them. If you don't like a book don't read it. You don't have to burn it.

While my inner librarian agrees with you, and shrieks at the very idea of defacing a book in any way, shape, or form, the fact is that book burning is not a crime and is an expression of opinion. Puerile, senseless, and inconsiderate of the feelings of others? Probably, but none of that makes it either illegal or objectively wrong.

(July 14, 2023 at 11:21 am)Ravenshire Wrote:

(March 26, 2023 at 11:12 pm)Helios Wrote: The general principle is that generally, the only people who burn books are religious fundamentalist nutters or fascists and that we really shouldn't be emulating them. If you don't like a book don't read it. You don't have to burn it.

While my inner librarian agrees with you, and shrieks at the very idea of defacing a book in any way, shape, or form, the fact is that book burning is not a crime and is an expression of opinion. Puerile, senseless, and inconsiderate of the feelings of others? Probably, but none of that makes it either illegal or objectively wrong.

Oh it shouldn't be illegal but should be called out as a cowardly and childish act.

When bullies realize something makes you furious, they repeat it and keep doing it until you explode from provocation.
It's called "provoking".
It's childish to go angry with every provoking attempt.

In other words; let the monkey repeat their provoking attempt. It's wise to drink ice coffee while watching.