New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran

[Leonardo17]

First Video: He has good ideas on solutions to the Ukraine wars. Try to watch the last two minutes.

Second video: I have to add the library of Constantinople 1204. Many Chinese libraries were also destroyed in around 4 AD.

- He is wrong on NATO. Sweden will join NATO. But this guy (the Neo Nazi) is still a complete certified jerk .
- I also think there should be some sort of fine for such actions.
- 6.00 / I disagree on that. I agree on the right for blasphemy. If you are doing blasphemy in your creative work, I’ll just stop reading you and that will be it.
I just don’t agree with the usage of religious symbols or other strong cultural elements of an ethnic and religious group, with an aim to hurt the feeling of these groups or to diminish the cultural value of these groups. That’s what we should agree on.

- 7.00 “There are limits to freedom of expression” – That’s what I am saying. This Guy would be fined in the UK or in Continental Europe (If I am not mistaking). Nordic countries + Denmark + The Netherlands have this extraordinary amount of civil liberties, (They even have 2 hour schools with no homework). So I have no hope for the current Government. But I believe the next government will be able to understand this and then be able to focus on real issues.

There we are: He can’t say these things to Rasmu Paluda. But I am allowed to say these things and I can even add that I mean these things when I say them

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't have to understand a book before burning it.  It might be cold out.  Besides, my understanding your magic book doesn't do anything to dissuade me from burning one.  That's unearned deference that magic books acquire by association.  I'm fine with a world without magic books...I'd greatly prefer it, but just like any other childs toy..you don't burn them, you wait for the child to put it down on it's own then quietly dispose of the fucking nuisance.

Yes. That’s how I would proceed too.
 
Also: How do I even answer to that guy? DO I tell “Oh if you burn my Quran I shall make a video in which I … on a copy of Mein Kampf!!!” ( I Mean where doeas that lead us anyway?

Bill was a righteous man.  When the blizzard was coming the news told him to evacuate.  No, said Bill.  God will save me - and disregarded the advice.  When the blizzard hit, and Bill was stuck where he stayed - emergency services dug their way through the snow to Bill.  No, said Bill.  Only God can save me - and waved them off.  A short while later Bill, clutching his magic book and praying to God....freezes to death.  

He wakes up in heaven, so that's nice, but he has to ask.  God, why didn't you save me?   Bill, says god......didn't I warn you in advance?  When you ignored that warning, didn't I send people to get you?  When you rejected their help.......didn't you die with a thick stack of kindling in your hands, that I had sent you long before?  

God doesn't give a shit about books.  You cant possibly believe that he does if you also believe that he routinely chooses to grant his revelations to illiterates...and that the books this produces are invariably turned into perversions of The Original Message™ to those illiterates.  God, looking at a book, might think that it's cute that his human worms came up with it.  Might feel a sense of justifiable pride at our having manufactured one as his own creations......but I doubt he'd bat an eye if we burned one to satisfy our perceived existential dilemmas.

You ask me what you could say to a person who fears white replacement and believes that your magic book is a tool to effect such a purpose?  Ridicule it.  No, not them, the magic book.  Ask them how magic book is going to replace them?  What's the deal?  Is there some critical number of your magic books that..if they're allowed to exist un-burnt in his community - that would lead to the end of his genetic line or his white culture? Can you imagine that, how little he must think of his own shit, if he thinks that a stack of paper needs to be destroyed? OFC, you might also believe that's credible...if you think the books are magic.......If you, like him...believe that....though.....well, there's nothing you could really say to him. You believe exactly as he does. He's right, why are you even trying to argue with him?

In short, you should ask him if he believes in your shit even more than you do...unless you believe exactly what he does and simply never realized it.

[Leonardo17]

You probably misunderstood me. I just meant that “this isn’t the way we adults find expression to our feelings”
Does he hate Muslims?
Fine. I hate ISIL. But do you see me taking the isle flag and doing things to it?
No. It is your right to hate and to express that hatred. But there are more adult ways of doing it.

/To this I must also add that his ideology is completely perverted. So he won’t be able to create literary works like Selman Rushdi or cartoons like Stephane Charbonnier. And that’s al I have been saying since the beginning. He simply doesn’t deserve my / our attention.

Still: Do you know that “Mein Kampf” is still banned in Germany? In 2010 there was a decision to allow an annotated version of the book to be published in Germany for educational purpose. So the Swastika, Nazi symbols and other elements are completely banned from public life and I think this should be done in other countries too.

I see Fascism and Political Islam as twin brothers or sisters actually. Today somebody told me that The Agenda of Political Islam was to return us to the 13th century. To which I replied that the 13th century was simply too modern for a political Islamist to fit in

So I would not like this guy even if he didn’t just do what he it. And I can also say that this is not something I wouldn’t expect from that kind of person

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, he probably does hate muslims, because he thinks that muslims are an existential threat to his own people. That islam is, for example... a hate crime against him and his.

Yeah..I know nazi shit is banned in germany...I know that germans are super weird about nazi shit. On account of how I lived there off and on for awhile - between living in islamic shitholes. Proximity, hooah?

[Nay_Sayer]

That's a waste; There are tons of things to do with it;

Line a bird cage

Fold the pages into fun origami

Paper mache

Toilet paper

general arts and crafts

It’s just that it means something to some people. What do you call me if I do anything like that with an original disc from Elvis Presley? You will call me something right?
 
And it’s a cultural element too. I don’t believe in Voodoo. But I won’t do any of these things to a voodoo idol.

I'm not a fan of Elvis. Do what you want with it.  Now I feel the urge to make Origami FSM's out of the OT.

[The Grand Nudger]

You probably misunderstood me. I just meant that “this isn’t the way we adults find expression to our feelings”
Does he hate Muslims?
Fine. I hate ISIL. But do you see me taking the isle flag and doing things to it?
No. It is your right to hate and to express that hatred. But there are more adult ways of doing it.

/To this I must also add that his ideology is completely perverted. So he won’t be able to create literary works like Selman Rushdi or cartoons like Stephane Charbonnier. And that’s al I have been saying since the beginning. He simply doesn’t deserve my / our attention.

Still: Do you know that “Mein Kampf” is still banned in Germany? In 2010 there was a decision to allow an annotated version of the book to be published in Germany for educational purpose. So the Swastika, Nazi symbols and other elements are completely banned from public life and I think this should be done in other countries too.

I see Fascism and Political Islam as twin brothers or sisters actually. Today somebody told me that The Agenda of Political Islam was to return us to the 13th century. To which I replied that the 13th century was simply too modern for a political Islamist to fit in

So I would not like this guy even if he didn’t just do what he it. And I can also say that this is not something I wouldn’t expect from that kind of person

I don't misunderstand........ you.  You misunderstand him.   You misunderstand him because you misunderstand yourself.   Good luck to both of you, both of you being ridiculous.........

[Ferrocyanide]

Where in the Original Message™ does it say that burning magic book is double-plus ungood?

No. But in the whole region around here you’ve had a lot of show of force. Women with headscarves (how could we do without them), burning of Swedish flags, bearded idiots shouting İslamist slogans (just three month before the general elections in Turkey. What a coincidence?) etc. just typical ego-responses and more enmity between human beings as if this is exactly what we need.

   I see myself as above this kind of people. They are not really my problem. That’s why I created this topic. But he is still what he is. There are many Muslims in Europe who do feel offended by that. So I personally really don’t like what he did. I see it as a purely racist motivated action.

Which race is he against by burning the Koran?

[Ferrocyanide]

Mistreating books no matter what they are is bullshit. You don't have to like what the book says just don't ruin it.

What’s wrong with burning a book? In the 20 th century, they invented high speed printing machines. So, the books don’t have value.

It’s like the cars we use. Eventually they become too old, too rusted and it costs too much to repair, so it goes to the scrap heap. Melt down the components and make a new car.

Of course, don’t destroy the cars from the 19 th century and some from the 20 th century. Maybe keep a few copies of modern cars.

Books are an entirely different thing. They just contain data. So, turn it into a DOC, ODT, PDF file. Make as many copies as you like and delete it as you like.

[The Architect Of Fate]

What’s wrong with burning a book? In the 20 th century, they invented high speed printing machines. So, the books don’t have value.

As I have said before it's the principle, not the object. 

It’s like the cars we use. Eventually they become too old, too rusted and it costs too much to repair, so it goes to the crap heap. Melt down the components and make a new car.

Books are not the same as cars 

Of course, don’t destroy the cars from the 19 th century and some from the 20 th century. Maybe keep a few copies of modern cars.

Again books are not the same as cars 

Books are an entirely different thing. They just contain data. So, turn it into a DOC, ODT, PDF file. Make as many copies as you like and delete it as you like.

Again it's the principle not the object.

[Ferrocyanide]

First Video: He has good ideas on solutions to the Ukraine wars. Try to watch the last two minutes.

Second video: I have to add the library of Constantinople 1204. Many Chinese libraries were also destroyed in around 4 AD.

- He is wrong on NATO. Sweden will join NATO. But this guy (the Neo Nazi) is still a complete certified jerk .
- I also think there should be some sort of fine for such actions.
- 6.00 / I disagree on that. I agree on the right for blasphemy. If you are doing blasphemy in your creative work, I’ll just stop reading you and that will be it.
I just don’t agree with the usage of religious symbols or other strong cultural elements of an ethnic and religious group, with an aim to hurt the feeling of these groups or to diminish the cultural value of these groups. That’s what we should agree on.

- 7.00 “There are limits to freedom of expression” – That’s what I am saying. This Guy would be fined in the UK or in Continental Europe (If I am not mistaking). Nordic countries + Denmark + The Netherlands have this extraordinary amount of civil liberties, (They even have 2 hour schools with no homework). So I have no hope for the current Government. But I believe the next government will be able to understand this and then be able to focus on real issues.

There we are: He can’t say these things to Rasmu Paluda. But I am allowed to say these things and I can even add that I mean these things when I say them

The article doesn’t say why the 33-year-old stateless Palestinian man attacked and killed people with a knife.
If the reason is that someone burned a Koran, then this stateless Palestinian man has mental problems since he thinks burning a book and killing humans is equivalent.

Silencing people who want to poke fun at a religion and want to burn the books that they bought with their own money is not the problem.
It is the priests who probably encourage “the muslims to get out in the streets and protest and encourage to physically harm the non believers” the problem.

People will always draw Mohamed. As long as muslims go insane over that, people will create draw Mohamed day.
Muslims have made cartoons of Jesus and there has been no response from the christian communities. And so, the muslims gave up. The muslim communities around the world don’t seem to know the state of christian nations: they aren’t christian anymore. They are democratic, freedom loving.
There is a portion that wants a theocracy but they want to kick muslims out. They are not interested in your drawings of Jesus.
It’s about knowing what is a serious problem and what is a joke.

What are you going to do if the atheism community draws Mohamed? Are you going to draw Richard Dawkins or spaghetti thing?
The atheist community will not care.
There was actually one bozo who thought atheists really worshiped the flying spaghetti monster.

Once you taste freedom, you don’t want to give it up. You want more.

I just don’t agree with the usage of religious symbols or other strong cultural elements of an ethnic and religious group, with an aim to hurt the feeling of these groups or to diminish the cultural value of these groups. That’s what we should agree on.

Turkey has destroyed Greek culture and multiple cultures. What about their feelings?
Turkey has renamed city names in an effort of turkification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkification


Surname Law – The surname law forbade certain surnames that contained connotations of foreign cultures, nations, tribes, and religions.[66][76][77][78] As a result, many ethnic Armenians, Greeks, and Kurds were forced to adopt last names of Turkish rendition.[77] Names ending with "yan, of, ef, viç, is, dis , poulos, aki, zade, shvili, madumu, veled, bin" (names that denote Armenian, Russian, Greek, Albanian, Arabic, Georgian, Kurdish, and other origins) could not be registered, and they had to be replaced by "-oğlu."[79]

They have converted this Greek church and plenty of others into islamic churches and have modified the artwork.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia


I haven’t heard any muslim country complain.
Muslim countries stand together when their religion is attacked but they are ok when christianity or some other cultures are destroyed.