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Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
May 24, 2023 at 1:48 am
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2023 at 1:52 am by WinterHold.)
Society was always dynamic.
Closed, anti-immigration societies die a cold death, just like Japan now. Birth rates in that society are scary and reached inhumane levels:
Quote:Japan's population has fallen for the 12th consecutive year, as deaths rise and the birth rate continues to sink, according to government data released Wednesday. The population stood at 124.49 million in 2022 – representing a decline of 556,000 from the previous year, figures show
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/13/asia/...index.html
Any society choosing the closed-borders model suffers the same conclusion.
Despite the popular examples of the positive effect of immigration on countries (like the European scientific evolution, fueling the economy of the region, ...etc):
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/nort...eigh-costs
Anti immigration parties still fool the people with almost childish promises, and more serious and dangerous promises that cause direct depopulation and destruction for the economy.
In other words: when did anti-Immigration policy was good for humans; ever?
The conclusion of such policy is always cold death like Japan and northern Europe, or worse: being vanquished and swallowed by pro-immigration humans.
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
May 24, 2023 at 4:34 am
(May 24, 2023 at 1:48 am)WinterHold Wrote: Society was always dynamic.
Closed, anti-immigration societies die a cold death, just like Japan now. Birth rates in that society are scary and reached inhumane levels:
Quote:Japan's population has fallen for the 12th consecutive year, as deaths rise and the birth rate continues to sink, according to government data released Wednesday. The population stood at 124.49 million in 2022 – representing a decline of 556,000 from the previous year, figures show
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/13/asia/...index.html
Any society choosing the closed-borders model suffers the same conclusion.
Despite the popular examples of the positive effect of immigration on countries (like the European scientific evolution, fueling the economy of the region, ...etc):
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/nort...eigh-costs
Anti immigration parties still fool the people with almost childish promises, and more serious and dangerous promises that cause direct depopulation and destruction for the economy.
In other words: when did anti-Immigration policy was good for humans; ever?
The conclusion of such policy is always cold death like Japan and northern Europe, or worse: being vanquished and swallowed by pro-immigration humans.
The CNN article cited the low birth rate among Japanese nationals as the reason for the decline in population. It's nothing to do with immigration. In fact, it mentions that Japan's immigration policies kept the number from being much, much worse.
As for Northern Europe, according to this , they seem to be doing pretty well regarding welcoming immigrants.
I don't disagree with your central point that immigration is a good thing, but I think you're shooting at the wrong targets.
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
July 14, 2023 at 10:44 pm
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Immigration is great as long as it is controlled. I don't hear of any right-wingers except a few extremists calling for an end to Immigration. Along with immigration, it would also help to have some children of our own.
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
July 15, 2023 at 2:09 am
(July 14, 2023 at 10:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Along with immigration, it would also help to have some children of our own. Help with what?
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
July 15, 2023 at 2:19 am
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Quote:Immigration is great as long as it is controlled.
You don't want it controlled you want it ended. Don't lie
Quote:I don't hear of any right-wingers except a few extremists calling for an end to Immigration.
You can't hear with your fingers in your ears though yes you have but that would let the mask slip.
Quote: Along with immigration, it would also help to have some children of our own.
A thing your party doesn't give a damn about 
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
July 15, 2023 at 3:33 am
Head tax on immigrants(~$20k/year) would solve most immigration related problems.
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
July 15, 2023 at 3:54 am
Quote:Head tax on immigrants(~$20k/year) would solve most immigration related problems.
Like all your bullshit fascist solution to everything. No, it wouldn't.
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
July 15, 2023 at 4:13 am
(July 14, 2023 at 10:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Immigration is great as long as it is controlled. I don't hear of any right-wingers except a few extremists calling for an end to Immigration. Along with immigration, it would also help to have some children of our own.
(Bold mine)
How many countries in the world do you imagine have uncontrolled immigration?
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
July 15, 2023 at 4:15 am
(July 15, 2023 at 3:33 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Head tax on immigrants(~$20k/year) would solve most immigration related problems.
I like the 20k figure, but you've got it arsey-versey - the US should pay new immigrants 20k for coming to your country, sort of like a signing bonus for saving your economy.
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RE: Anti-immigration..does Right wing still fools masses?
July 15, 2023 at 4:22 am
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(July 15, 2023 at 4:15 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 15, 2023 at 3:33 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Head tax on immigrants(~$20k/year) would solve most immigration related problems.
I like the 20k figure, but you've got it arsey-versey - the US should pay new immigrants 20k for coming to your country, sort of like a signing bonus for saving your economy.
Boru
That's exactly what Europe is doing with welfare immigration and their economy is stagnating. Immigrants should add value to the economy not destroy it.
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