(September 18, 2023 at 12:09 pm)Data Wrote:

(September 18, 2023 at 11:55 am)paulpablo Wrote: Religion is social so it only makes sense that atheism is an objection to at least something that is social I don't know about sociopolitical.

It's not just that someone wrote a book about God/Gods and I don't believe the contents are factual, it's that I live in a society were a lot of people do believe it's true.

Israel, the Jewish religion of old, Moses and all of that, was social and political. Here's the laws, agree with them or face the consequence, or get out. Conversion is welcome. Christianity, originally, was social in an isolated sense. The society was the congregation. So, no homosexuality, no abortion IN the congregation. Outside of that is none of their business and inside is no business of the society Christianity itself is in unless they are breaking the law. One of the tenets of early Christianity is to follow the law of whatever society they are in so long as it doesn't conflict with God's will, standard, purpose, etc.

Alright.

(September 18, 2023 at 12:16 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Surely what goes on inside a religion is a concern of society and others? It may well be that they are doing that which is harmful, immoral, or subversive.  It needs to be examined and if found engaged in something untoward, challenged.

Harmful, immoral or subversive so long as it is legal is not of concern. So, I'm gay. I had to decide which I would be, active gay lifestyle or God's rule. For a long time I decided the former, then changed. It doesn't matter if society at large thinks that homophobic, harmful, immoral or subversive. If it's legal. If the it becomes a law that they have to accept homosexuality, they should fight the law. That sort of thing.

If I decide something is harmful, immoral, hateful, subversive etc then I consider it my business regardless of what the law says. The law is often an ass. I will do what I can, and/or what I think best, to change the law and end the practices I find repulsive.

Anyone who would turn a blind eye to slavery or FGM, for example, just because the law doesn't care, I would consider a very odd fish.

(September 18, 2023 at 12:34 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: If I decide something is harmful, immoral, hateful, subversive etc then I consider it my business regardless of what the law says.  The law is often an ass.  I will do what I can, and/or what I think best, to change the law and end the practices I find repulsive.

Then you shouldn't object to anyone not of your ideology to do the same.

(September 18, 2023 at 12:34 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Anyone who would turn a blind eye to slavery or FGM, for example, just because the law doesn't care, I would consider a very odd fish.

Not sure what FGM is, but slavery is in this context, is often an emotional, hypocritical, uninformed narcissitic type of issue. Pressed for time right now, Dentist appointment, but if you want to talk about that, leave a comment.

(September 18, 2023 at 1:13 pm)Data Wrote:

(September 18, 2023 at 12:34 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: If I decide something is harmful, immoral, hateful, subversive etc then I consider it my business regardless of what the law says.  The law is often an ass.  I will do what I can, and/or what I think best, to change the law and end the practices I find repulsive.

Then you shouldn't object to anyone not of your ideology to do the same.

(September 18, 2023 at 12:34 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Anyone who would turn a blind eye to slavery or FGM, for example, just because the law doesn't care, I would consider a very odd fish.

Not sure what FGM is, but slavery is in this context, is often an emotional, hypocritical, uninformed narcissitic type of issue. Pressed for time right now, Dentist appointment, but if you want to talk about that, leave a comment.

‘Female Genital Mutilation’. Have a butcher’s - it’s a seriously horrific practice.

Boru

(September 18, 2023 at 1:13 pm)Data Wrote:

(September 18, 2023 at 12:34 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: If I decide something is harmful, immoral, hateful, subversive etc then I consider it my business regardless of what the law says.  The law is often an ass.  I will do what I can, and/or what I think best, to change the law and end the practices I find repulsive.

Then you shouldn't object to anyone not of your ideology to do the same.

(September 18, 2023 at 12:34 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Anyone who would turn a blind eye to slavery or FGM, for example, just because the law doesn't care, I would consider a very odd fish.

Not sure what FGM is, but slavery is in this context, is often an emotional, hypocritical, uninformed narcissitic type of issue. Pressed for time right now, Dentist appointment, but if you want to talk about that, leave a comment.

Why should I not object if someone of a different ideology does the same? I think I'm right, doesn't mean I think they also are. I think it's sensible that people who think harm bad monitor what people do with kids, I don't think it sensible that people who love harm have the same rights.

I prefer my ideology over other people's.

I'm still waiting for the names of the atheist forums that ban theists solely because they're theists. Otherwise it's "pants on fire".

(September 18, 2023 at 3:04 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I'm still waiting for the names of the atheist forums that ban theists solely because they're theists. Otherwise it's "pants on fire".

I suspect you could count those on the fingers of one thumb. CPC (Christian Persecution Complex) is a real thing.

Boru

(September 18, 2023 at 3:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 18, 2023 at 3:04 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I'm still waiting for the names of the atheist forums that ban theists solely because they're theists. Otherwise it's "pants on fire".

I suspect you could count those on the fingers of one thumb. CPC (Christian Persecution Complex) is a real thing.

Boru

On the other tentacle, I've been banned for saying I'm not a Christian. Muslims, Jews, Himists, they get the boot too.

(September 17, 2023 at 2:43 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Do you consider catholics posting on a catholic forum to be militant catholics?

Militant isn't a derogatory term for me. To me it just means outspoken opposition and there isn't anything wrong with that. A Catholic on a Catholic reform or former Catholic forum would most likely be militant. I don't object to being referred to as militant theist in the context of the forums I participate in, but in real life nothing could be further from the truth.

(September 17, 2023 at 2:43 am)Deesse23 Wrote: A personal insult, but you want people to refrain from personal insults in their responses?

No, I think personal insults are a natural result of frustration in an ideological debate/discussion. What I don't want is so many personal insults there isn't any real substance or it makes it difficult for me to follow a thread and respond to as many people as may be engaging me. I like rolling up my sleeves and getting down and dirty with the unwashed heathen. Clears the sinuses.

[quote='Deesse23' pid='2168672' dateline='1694933036']If i was a militant atheist, i would call you a bigot.

Oh my goodness! Ouch! You don't pull any punches, little britches. Let's get out the dictionary for clarification. Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

I like that. But it sounds to me like you and I are in the same boat, and that som'bitch has BIGOT written in huge letters on the stern. Can I get an amen! brothers and sisters! A yea us a. That's the best spelling of a parody of a televangelist I could do - look what I have to work with here!