(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: "Specifically I'm talking about ideological fixation as a vehicle for blind adherents and the people who take advantage of the blind ignorance it must perpetuate. Divide and conquer and the atheist vs theist conflict being more a product of that than anything else."

So you see atheist v theist primarily as just another tribal/ideological conflict.  

Sort of, yeah. I guess you could sum it up that way. I always use (to the point of my own nauseum, the term sociopolitical.

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: OK.  I'm sure there's a degree of tribalism in some behavior of some people on those sides.  But it doesn't seem particularly pronounced anymore than other divides, like sports teams or politics or nationality.  If anything it seems far more about substantive issues.

Yes! Exactly. I have made those comparisons many, many times. Fashion, art, etc.  

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: But it's just a seems type of thing.  It seems that way to you, it seems another way to me.  I just focus on the person I'm talking to, mostly, and not see them as a representative of this or that other.

Yeah, I know you do, and so do I, but most don't.

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: We already know that. It's why we ignore you.

Sure ya do. It's obvious.

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You're a liar. If you were having severe chest pain, you would call 911.

Actually, when I was having severe chest pains, a massive heart attack in fact, I finished the workday, then drove to the liquor store and picked up a pint of 100 proof whiskey. Then I went home, drank half of it in about an hour, took a shower then drove to the hospital ER.

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: The phone you use is provided by science. The computer you're typing on here is a product of science.

No, it isn't. But science is a product of religion. Idiot.

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You're just "oblivious". It's not at all unusual.

Hardly matters whether it's true. Perhaps you know why you see science as a getabble, something that religion made? Something that, even though you don't have it now, a god will just hand to you, somehow, as you indicated?

(September 20, 2023 at 6:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 20, 2023 at 4:57 pm)Data Wrote:




Science should ignore religion. I ignore science and religion.

What a mindwobblingly stupid video. God isn’t ‘a different kind of explanation’. God is no explanation at all. It’s an excuse used by people who can’t count past ten with their shoes on.

Boru

Yeah man, I'm sure Thomas Aquinas, Saint Augustine, and many others were just dumb as rocks, definitely not intelligent people. I don't care if you don't believe in God, but do not call His followers stupid.

Have you read their stuff? Yes. They were dipshits.

(September 20, 2023 at 8:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Hardly matters whether it's true.  Perhaps you know why you see science as a getabble, something that religion made?  Something that, even though you don't have it now, a god will just hand to you, somehow, as you indicated?

Here's the thing . . . and I vaguely remember you from when I first came here briefly. We had some interesting discussions. I don't recall if it went south as it always does, or I just got bored and left* but I have never had anything against science, but at the same time I've never had any interest in it. To me a dinosaur is a big lizard (taught that in old school, turns out it may have been a big chicken).Space, which is God's creation, is beautiful - for about 20 seconds. To me. But if I were temporary steward over the entire world until Jehovah sets up his kingdom, I would destroy politics and organized religion by taking away their financial incentive, money, fractional reserve banking, etc. and give science and technology, now uncorrupted, the power to provide for every man, woman and child on the planet. AND I would make it so any subsequent temporary ruler wouldn't be allowed to interfere with it with any other corrupted vehicle. The corrupted world is a dragon. The solution to the dragon isn't to fight or tame it, the solution is to starve it.  



* My getting bored isn't a reflection or criticism of you or the forum in general, it's a reflection of my having done this for way too long.

(September 20, 2023 at 8:20 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Have you read their stuff?  Yes.  They were dipshits.

I don't know about the others, but Aquinas certainly was. Bedrock for the church's geocentric theory. Not a Biblical teaching, by the way.

(September 20, 2023 at 7:55 pm)Data Wrote:

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: We already know that. It's why we ignore you.

Sure ya do. It's obvious.

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You're a liar. If you were having severe chest pain, you would call 911.

Actually, when I was having severe chest pains, a massive heart attack in fact, I finished the workday, then drove to the liquor store and picked up a pint of 100 proof whiskey. Then I went home, drank half of it in about an hour, took a shower then drove to the hospital ER.

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: The phone you use is provided by science. The computer you're typing on here is a product of science.

No, it isn't. But science is a product of religion. Idiot.

(September 20, 2023 at 5:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You're just "oblivious". It's not at all unusual.

The reply of a fool. We get that all you do is jack off.
Yet you can't provide any coherent reply. 
Just as I thought.

(September 20, 2023 at 8:19 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(September 20, 2023 at 6:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What a mindwobblingly stupid video. God isn’t ‘a different kind of explanation’. God is no explanation at all. It’s an excuse used by people who can’t count past ten with their shoes on.

Boru

Yeah man, I'm sure Thomas Aquinas, Saint Augustine, and many others were just dumb as rocks, definitely not intelligent people. I don't care if you don't believe in God, but do not call His followers stupid.

You’d prefer I call them halfwitted? Gullible? Moronic? Laughable? Naive? Senseless? Witless?

‘Stupid is as stupid does.’

Boru

I mean, more that chickens are little dinosaurs. You can tell they remember.

What I'm hearing is that you value science and technology. That's why it's a gettable. That's why you want it "in your hands". That you go so far as to invest it with providential ability traditionally reserved for gods. With the power to provide for every man woman and child on the planet. Or I've misheard.

I've got some good news. You are the temporary steward of the world. There's no one else to do the job. It's yours whenever you want it, for as long as you can do it.