(October 21, 2023 at 1:03 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(October 20, 2023 at 6:44 pm)WinterHold Wrote: You know the solution.

1-Freedom for Gaza citizens from their prison
2-Ending the occupation of Palestine by the Jewish militias
3-paying  war reparations for the damaged 4000 Palestinians in Gaza
4-Issuing law-suites against war criminals that besieged Gaza strip
5-ending the colony of Israel since its existence is a sin of the non-existing British Empire

1 and 2 sound good; 3 and 4 would be good if you made Hamas as accountable for their crimes as Israel; as for 5, well, Israel hasn’t been a colony since the Naqba, and how exactly do you propose to “end” it without committing genocide or ethnic cleansing? 

Also, FF specified a solution that both sides would be willing to implement, and do you seriously think Israel would be willing to implement its own extinction?

I disagree with 1 thing: it's impossible to make a westerner or a zionist pay reparations for the mess they made, I mean both are infamous for being stingy in almost all the world cultures. Except if there's a strong law being enforced; with penalties to back it up.

We all seen how WW2 went; paying reparations by Japan and the Germans was only possible after blowing Japanese with atomic weapons ! Germany feared the same fate so it gave in and payed !

No offense; but people treat westen colonies and empires like that because they are playing the game by the rules: which westerners themselves put !!

Again, I'm stating this fact: Israel is a mere colony made by the British Empire, the natives got sick of its deeds, and they simply want it out, The British took this land by murder, so the colony is practicing what its creator taught it: war. Nothing but war. That what it knows, that what it does. Natives got sick of it and its wars.

(October 21, 2023 at 2:19 am)WinterHold Wrote: We all seen how WW2 went; paying reparations by Japan and the Germans was only possible after blowing Japanese with atomic weapons ! Germany feared the same fate so it gave in and payed !

Germany surrendered three months before America dropped nukes on Hiroshima or Nagasaki. And over two and a half months before the Trinity test (the first ever nuclear detonation). Hell, the bombings had a lot less of an impact on Japan's surrender than people tend to think.

Quote:I disagree with 1 thing: it's impossible to make a westerner or a zionist pay reparations for the mess they made, I mean both are infamous for being stingy in almost all the world cultures. Except if there's a strong law being enforced; with penalties to back it up.

America has built and rebuilt more nations than virtually any other.

Quote:We all seen how WW2 went; paying reparations by Japan and the Germans was only possible after blowing Japanese with atomic weapons ! Germany feared the same fate so it gave in and payed 

Germany surrendered first and America through the marshal plan gave Japan more than they ever were forced to pay. Also, The A-bomb wasn't about forcing reparations.

Quote:No offense; but people treat westen colonies and empires like that because they are playing the game by the rules: which westerners themselves put !!

Nonsense

Quote:Again, I'm stating this fact: Israel is a mere colony made by the British Empire, the natives got sick of its deeds, and they simply want it out, The British took this land by murder, so the colony is practicing what its creator taught it: war. Nothing but war. That what it knows, that what it does. Natives got sick of it and its wars.

Again Isreal is not a colony. Also, the Jews are native to the region.

(October 21, 2023 at 2:19 am)WinterHold Wrote: .... and the Germans was only possible after blowing Japanese with atomic weapons ! Germany feared the same fate so it gave in and payed

(October 21, 2023 at 2:19 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 21, 2023 at 1:03 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: 1 and 2 sound good; 3 and 4 would be good if you made Hamas as accountable for their crimes as Israel; as for 5, well, Israel hasn’t been a colony since the Naqba, and how exactly do you propose to “end” it without committing genocide or ethnic cleansing? 

Also, FF specified a solution that both sides would be willing to implement, and do you seriously think Israel would be willing to implement its own extinction?

I disagree with 1 thing: it's impossible to make a westerner or a zionist pay reparations for the mess they made, I mean both are infamous for being stingy in almost all the world cultures. Except if there's a strong law being enforced; with penalties to back it up.

We all seen how WW2 went; paying reparations by Japan and the Germans was only possible after blowing Japanese with atomic weapons ! Germany feared the same fate so it gave in and payed !

No offense; but people treat westen colonies and empires like that because they are playing the game by the rules: which westerners themselves put !!

Again, I'm stating this fact: Israel is a mere colony made by the British Empire, the natives got sick of its deeds, and they simply want it out, The British took this land by murder, so the colony is practicing what its creator taught it: war. Nothing but war. That what it knows, that what it does. Natives got sick of it and its wars.

Would you, as part of your 'peace plan', accept that members of Hamas be rounded up, arrested, and tried for terrorist crimes by Palestinian courts?

Boru

(October 21, 2023 at 2:47 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(October 21, 2023 at 2:19 am)WinterHold Wrote: We all seen how WW2 went; paying reparations by Japan and the Germans was only possible after blowing Japanese with atomic weapons ! Germany feared the same fate so it gave in and payed !

Germany surrendered three months before America dropped nukes on Hiroshima or Nagasaki. And over two and a half months before the Trinity test (the first ever nuclear detonation). Hell, the bombings had a lot less of an impact on Japan's surrender than people tend to think.

Actually, all war reparations were payed after the victory of the allies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations

Quote:The Allies finally agreed for German reparations to be paid in the following forms:[2]

• Dismantling of the German industry
  
• Transferring all manufacturing equipment, machinery and machine tools to the Allies
  
• Transferring all railroad cars, locomotives and ships to the Allies
  
• Confiscation of all German investments abroad
  
• All gold, silver and platinum in bullion or coin form held by any person/institution in Germany
  
• All foreign currency
  
• All patents and research data relevant to military application and processes
  
• Requisition of current German industrial production and resource extraction
  
• Forced labour provided by the German population
  

The nuke had to be blown first so Japan surrender; thus ending the war.

(October 21, 2023 at 4:42 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 21, 2023 at 2:19 am)WinterHold Wrote: I disagree with 1 thing: it's impossible to make a westerner or a zionist pay reparations for the mess they made, I mean both are infamous for being stingy in almost all the world cultures. Except if there's a strong law being enforced; with penalties to back it up.

We all seen how WW2 went; paying reparations by Japan and the Germans was only possible after blowing Japanese with atomic weapons ! Germany feared the same fate so it gave in and payed !

No offense; but people treat westen colonies and empires like that because they are playing the game by the rules: which westerners themselves put !!

Again, I'm stating this fact: Israel is a mere colony made by the British Empire, the natives got sick of its deeds, and they simply want it out, The British took this land by murder, so the colony is practicing what its creator taught it: war. Nothing but war. That what it knows, that what it does. Natives got sick of it and its wars.

Would you, as part of your 'peace plan', accept that members of Hamas be rounded up, arrested, and tried for terrorist crimes by Palestinian courts?

Boru

Why ?
The terrorists are wearing IDF suites and part of the Israeli militia.

I have a small clip for you about the situation in Palestine:





Do you seriously wonder why Hamas exist ? look at that Palestinian boy in the cartoon, you'll know where Hamas came from and what they are fighting.

(October 21, 2023 at 5:37 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 21, 2023 at 4:42 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Would you, as part of your 'peace plan', accept that members of Hamas be rounded up, arrested, and tried for terrorist crimes by Palestinian courts?

Boru

Why ?
The terrorists are wearing IDF suites and part of the Israeli militia.

I have a small clip for you about the situation in Palestine:





Do you seriously wonder why Hamas exist ? look at that Palestinian boy in the cartoon, you'll know where Hamas came from and what they are fighting.

Would it interest you to know that this cartoon was produced by an Israeli legal center and financed by the UK? No? I thought as much.

So, you really don’t think it might create some goodwill if Palestinian courts were to hang a few Hamas terrorists?

And, FWIW, I agree with you that a lot of Israeli politicos need to be tried for war crimes due to their actions in the occupied territories.

Boru

   4 out of 5 Israelis believe Netanyahu is responsible for the recent aggressions of Hamas. They say that “embracing a foreign policy that openly ignored the existence and rights of Palestinians pushed Hamas to fight”.
 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-bla...26562.html
 
Something I posted recently on the local social Media is the opposite. I believe that Hamas is largely responsible for the deaths in Gaza by provoking Israel into a war by killing so many innocent people. In fact, most Middle Eastern media is pumping just one side of the events hour after hour. And the people being rather emotional, they are responding in mass protests in many countries.
 
Also, Hamas has an entire network of tunnels under Gaza with their headquarters located beneath major hospitals (reportedly):
 
https://youtu.be/Vvu8R3Lg2wc?t=78
 
This reminds me of the Vietcong Guerillas during the Vietnamese war of independence. If Hamas cares about civilians, why does it have such military targets under densely inhabited areas? My answer: All they care about is their twisted political Islamist ideology. You and me we are just the eggs that are necessary to make an omelet. Just like the teenage girl Armita Garawand who was made an example to anyone daring to question their absolutely flawless (!?) interpretation of religion.
 
   I know this from Leninist and Stalinist interpretations of Marxism. Strong ideologies that are aiming to create some sort of heaven on earth or Utopia on this planet, do not care about people. The people are merely seen as a flock of brainless animals that need to be treated as such until we are able to make them understand “The Truth” about our ideology.
 
   When he ordered in Invasion of Poland, (and he was hoping the Pols would greet the Red Army as “Liberators from oppression”), the Pols started to resist fiercely. And he gave orders to his generals saying: “Why don’t you kill more people? Why don’t you kill more of them?”.  
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
 
   So that’s how they are ticking. If the ground offensive does not happen (and I really hope it doesn’t). Then Gaza has to be governed by someone and attached to some sort of government. Those tunnels need to be filled in (because they are also a hazard to the buildings above). And Hamas has to be sent to continue its existence in some other place.
 
   There has to be a similar course of action with Lebanon. Lebanon and East-Jordan have also been turned into some sort of no man’s land. Wİth weak central governments and economic hardship, no bomb or artillery shell can make these populations immune to terror groups and political Islamists.

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    You know: Marriane Williamson has this book “Healing the Soul of America”. There she explains that by devoting only the tenth of the USA’s defense budget to more targeted acts that are designed to avoid hopelessness and extreme economic misery across the world, than crazy military ventures like Vietnam, Iraq and/or Afghanistan would become completely unnecessary. I think this is a perspective that needs to be considered a little more.
 

(October 21, 2023 at 5:36 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 21, 2023 at 2:47 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:


Germany surrendered three months before America dropped nukes on Hiroshima or Nagasaki. And over two and a half months before the Trinity test (the first ever nuclear detonation). Hell, the bombings had a lot less of an impact on Japan's surrender than people tend to think.

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Actually, all war reparations were payed after the victory of the allies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations

Quote:The Allies finally agreed for German reparations to be paid in the following forms:[2]

• Dismantling of the German industry
  
• Transferring all manufacturing equipment, machinery and machine tools to the Allies
  
• Transferring all railroad cars, locomotives and ships to the Allies
  
• Confiscation of all German investments abroad
  
• All gold, silver and platinum in bullion or coin form held by any person/institution in Germany
  
• All foreign currency
  
• All patents and research data relevant to military application and processes
  
• Requisition of current German industrial production and resource extraction
  
• Forced labour provided by the German population
  

The nuke had to be blown first so Japan surrender; thus ending the war.

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German war reparations have exactly zero to do with Winters ignorance. Ignorance of the fact (which is contrary to Winters claim) that Germany had long surrendered before the first nuke was tested and subsequently dropped on Japan.
Just another attempt to deflect from Winters incompetence.