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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 3:28 pm
(October 23, 2023 at 3:08 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Yes.  It was locked, and then there was Boru and Jackalopes comments, and then yours and it was unlocked.

It may have been a mid-click. Happens sometimes.

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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 3:35 pm (This post was last modified: October 23, 2023 at 3:47 pm by FrustratedFool.)
Weird. Lol 😆 It looked like a mod was getting too emotional.

Regarding your statement that smokers will get sick, whereas a boxer only may get damaged, that's not actually true. It's all just an increase in chances, which is why you get these 100 year old smokers. So, like I said, it's all just about where you draw the line. And your economic argument applies to pretty much everything that increases risk. Guns, fast food, boxing, not wearing seatbelts, etc. All burden society. Good argument for a nanny state.
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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 3:54 pm
Not a fan, but when it comes to drugs, I’m firmly in the “legalize everything” camp, even when the drug in question is as high risk, low reward as tobacco.
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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 4:19 pm (This post was last modified: October 23, 2023 at 4:27 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(October 23, 2023 at 3:35 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Weird.  Lol 😆  It looked like a mod was getting too emotional.

Regarding your statement that smokers will get sick, whereas a boxer only may get damaged, that's not actually true.  It's all just an increase in chances, which is why you get these 100 year old smokers.  So, like I said, it's all just about where you draw the line. And your economic argument applies to pretty much everything that increases risk.  Guns, fast food, boxing, not wearing seatbelts, etc.  All burden society.  Good argument for a nanny state.

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And yes, of course all risky behaviours are a societal burden, but it’s important to keep in mind how much of a burden.

The healthcare costs associated with smoking are closing in on two trillion dollars (PPP) per year. It’s hard to imagine a risky behaviour or group of behaviours that approach that.

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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 5:12 pm
(October 23, 2023 at 4:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 23, 2023 at 3:35 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Weird.  Lol 😆  It looked like a mod was getting too emotional.

Regarding your statement that smokers will get sick, whereas a boxer only may get damaged, that's not actually true.  It's all just an increase in chances, which is why you get these 100 year old smokers.  So, like I said, it's all just about where you draw the line. And your economic argument applies to pretty much everything that increases risk.  Guns, fast food, boxing, not wearing seatbelts, etc.  All burden society.  Good argument for a nanny state.

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And yes, of course all risky behaviours are a societal burden, but it’s important to keep in mind how much of a burden.

The healthcare costs associated with smoking are closing in on two trillion dollars (PPP) per year. It’s hard to imagine a risky behaviour or group of behaviours that approach that.

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And the under 18 group with cancers commonly related to smoking is on the rise. My hillbilly cousins are losing kids even faster than they do during the annual Christmas (Guns make GREAT gifts) slaughter.
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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 5:23 pm
Smoking is a lighter form of taking "drugs".
Nicotine is a drug.
Limit the habit if you're young, and don't allow it to be a part of who you are.

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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 5:52 pm (This post was last modified: October 23, 2023 at 5:55 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 23, 2023 at 4:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s hard to imagine a risky behaviour or group of behaviours that approach that.

Maybe not in our fossil fuel powered micro plastic saturated and disposable world. Honestly, I think we'll look back and see smoking as quaint - in comparison to all of the other ways we incur societal costs.

For those of us in countries with healthcare systems where that even applies, ofc.
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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 6:00 pm
It's still a curse, so let's not ignore the problems it creates.
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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 6:06 pm (This post was last modified: October 23, 2023 at 6:07 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
OFC, and if every decent cause had as good a campaign as the anti smoking push we'd live in a nicer world.
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RE: Smoking
October 23, 2023 at 6:36 pm
Dying prematurely is strongly correlated with the habit, more than any of the other habits besides alcohol you can name. What specific harmful habits are you referring to?
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