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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 11:39 am
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You'll probably have to flesh that one out. Why would teaching people biology lead to a secular religion? How should we explain why so many who have been taught biology didn;t come to a secular religion, or how so many who have been taught biology didn't come to a religion of social darwinism?
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 11:42 am
(October 24, 2023 at 11:39 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You'll probably have to flesh that one out. Why would teaching people biology lead to a secular religion? How should we explain why so many who have been taught biology didn;t come to a secular religion, or how so many who have been taught biology didn't come to a religion of social darwinism?
Most people who get taught that stuff in school end up becoming secularists.
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 11:47 am
(October 24, 2023 at 10:19 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: You should start from the peripheral things. Boru mentions that you should start by talking about evolution, but that's too close/ obvious. So by peripheral approach, I mean that you should start with the subject of gay people - Christians are usually taught by the church that gay people are wicked and secretly communist agents who are trying to overthrow the government, so you show them "Will and Grace" where they can see that gay people are normal like everyone else. Or the church teaches Christians that Jews still steal Christian children to eat them, so you show them Seinfeld and they see that Jews are people like them.
So when they see that the church lied to them about gays and Jews, they slowly get curious about what else are they wrong about, and you slowly come to telling them about evolution and how there is no evidence of the existence of gods.
These kinds of TV shows helped people abandon religion and religious leaders know it, that's why you can hear them talking about the "dangers of secularism".
Boru did no such thing.
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 12:32 pm
(October 24, 2023 at 11:42 am)Ahriman Wrote: (October 24, 2023 at 11:39 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You'll probably have to flesh that one out. Why would teaching people biology lead to a secular religion? How should we explain why so many who have been taught biology didn;t come to a secular religion, or how so many who have been taught biology didn't come to a religion of social darwinism?
Most people who get taught that stuff in school end up becoming secularists.
Not sure that's true, and generally speaking, secularists aren't Social Darwinists.
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 12:44 pm
(October 24, 2023 at 11:34 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'm not interested in deconverting the religious. As for countering it, that has to be done early in life, and should also be supporting later by a solid education in critical thinking.
Same here. However, I am interested in them not trying to convert me. It typically comes with a fair share of negative judgement and nonsense.
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 12:58 pm
(October 24, 2023 at 11:42 am)Ahriman Wrote: Most people who get taught that stuff in school end up becoming secularists.
What's so bad about that? I want religion kept out of our laws.
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 1:04 pm
I'm interested in religion becoming obsolete. I think we'd have a better world.
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 1:36 pm
(October 24, 2023 at 1:04 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: I'm interested in religion becoming obsolete. I think we'd have a better world.
The world would still suck without religion.
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 1:38 pm
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(October 24, 2023 at 11:42 am)Ahriman Wrote: (October 24, 2023 at 11:39 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You'll probably have to flesh that one out. Why would teaching people biology lead to a secular religion? How should we explain why so many who have been taught biology didn;t come to a secular religion, or how so many who have been taught biology didn't come to a religion of social darwinism?
Most people who get taught that stuff in school end up becoming secularists.
You probably have that relationship backwards, and you wind up arguing against yourself in the explanation. Theists and social darwinists alike believe (and have long believed) that biology is the proof in the pudding for their assertions - but it remains unclear how teaching biology leads to the notion that governments should be for all of the people regardless of and against none of the people on the basis of their religious beliefs.
Perhaps the misunderstanding is even deeper. Between descriptive and metaethical positions. Between understanding that a thing can be a true description of what we do, even if it's not a true description of what we should do. When you think about biology, does it turn you into a secularist or a social darwinist? If evolution is true*, should we be secularists? Should we be social darwinists, in your estimation?
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RE: Atheist Evangelism
October 24, 2023 at 1:54 pm
(October 24, 2023 at 1:36 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (October 24, 2023 at 1:04 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: I'm interested in religion becoming obsolete. I think we'd have a better world.
The world would still suck without religion.
But likely suck less.
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