(October 29, 2023 at 12:27 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(October 29, 2023 at 12:13 am)Barry Wrote: Hi Val
I agree with all your comments about child abuse. I have exposed two non clerical abusers, one running a youth group at my church who went on to abuse children at non Catholic schools. The other at a local swimming pool.
Please explain how stellar formations and the “process in action” started before you accuse me of “Dark Ages beliefs”. Your explanation is meaningless and unscientific. 
God bless
Barry

"Valkyrie" not "Val".

We don't know the full story of where the matter for the universe came from.  It's quite possible that it has always existed in some form.

Lack of total knowledge does not mean, "god did done it, hyuck!"

Any answers along those lines id just a result of lazy, dark age, thinking, and harkens back to when we didn't have answers for things we didn't understand.

Lightning?  Must be angry gods!

You ascribe to god did it! and accuse my answers of being meaningless?

Please!

And no, your god won't bless.

(October 29, 2023 at 12:43 am)Barry Wrote:

(October 29, 2023 at 12:27 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: "Valkyrie" not "Val".

We don't know the full story of where the matter for the universe came from.  It's quite possible that it has always existed in some form.

Lack of total knowledge does not mean, "god did done it, hyuck!"

Any answers along those lines id just a result of lazy, dark age, thinking, and harkens back to when we didn't have answers for things we didn't understand.

Lightning?  Must be angry gods!

You ascribe to god did it! and accuse my answers of being meaningless?

Please!

And no, your god won't bless.

Hi Val
I agree to calling you by your preferred name if you stop your verbal abuse.  You say “we don’t know the full story …”. Sorry, I do, you can’t speak for anyone else.
Then you say “it’s quite possible”, very vague.
If you think matter might have existed always please explain how we arrived at today from always.
God bless you
Barry

(October 29, 2023 at 12:53 am)Barry Wrote:

(October 29, 2023 at 12:43 am)Barry Wrote:

Hi Val
I agree to calling you by your preferred name if you stop your verbal abuse.  You say “we don’t know the full story …”. Sorry, I do, you can’t speak for anyone else.
Then you say “it’s quite possible”, very vague.
If you think matter might have existed always please explain how we arrived at today from always.
God bless you
Barry

Hi Barry,
I've noticed your passive-aggressive responses to others and your attempts to speak down to them in a way to make them seem smaller to you and to make yourself feel more important.

I've also noticed you play the victim when people don't play your game. It's a common religious trait, one you may grow out of. This is why you have accuse me of "verbal abuse", something that is not in any of my responses (yet) and also can't happen in written form.

Also, referring to someone by their preferred name is an, "I will, IF". It's a matter of courtesy, something many of the religious lack, I know.

I've corrected you. Have courtesy. Many here are FAR more tolerant than me.

Science doesn't know the full story.

You're quibbling over terms.

No, you don't know. You have CLAIMS that you "BELIEVE".

Look up, "The Big Bang Theory".

No, not the TV show.

I'm not going to be strung along by, "please explain", rvery time you want to draw out a pointless discussion because you're looking for a "gotcha" moment.

Everyone in the world with even a modicum of scientific education knows the basics. Those who don't are simply lacking in a decent education.

I do apologise for referring to "dark age beliefs".

You are correct there. They're predominantly Bronze Age.

Thanks for playing.

(October 29, 2023 at 1:07 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(October 29, 2023 at 12:53 am)Barry Wrote: Hi Val
I agree to calling you by your preferred name if you stop your verbal abuse.  You say “we don’t know the full story …”. Sorry, I do, you can’t speak for anyone else.
Then you say “it’s quite possible”, very vague.
If you think matter might have existed always please explain how we arrived at today from always.
God bless you
Barry

Hi Barry,
I've noticed your passive-aggressive responses to others and your attempts to speak down to them in a way to make them seem smaller to you and to make yourself feel more important.

I've also noticed you play the victim when people don't play your game.  It's a common religious trait, one you may grow out of.  This is why you have accuse me of "verbal abuse", something that is not in any of my responses (yet) and also can't happen in written form.

Also, referring to someone by their preferred name is an, "I will, IF".  It's a matter of courtesy, something many of the religious lack, I know.

I've corrected you.  Have courtesy.  Many here are FAR more tolerant than me.

Science doesn't know the full story.

You're quibbling over terms.

No, you don't know.  You have CLAIMS that you "BELIEVE".

Look up, "The Big Bang Theory".

No, not the TV show.

I'm not going to be strung along by, "please explain", rvery time you want to draw out a pointless discussion because you're looking for a "gotcha" moment.

Everyone in the world with even a modicum of scientific education knows the basics.  Those who don't are simply lacking in a decent education.

I do apologise for referring to "dark age beliefs".

You are correct there.  They're predominantly Bronze Age.

Thanks for playing.

Hi Valkyrie
Your name is very long, I wasn’t being disrespectful. As for your “verbal abuse”, I apologise for that comment, I confused you with Angryboda who has been very abusive. I’m not offended by “dark age beliefs”. 
So peace be with you.
As for the Big Bang, 14 billion years ago. It was discovered by a Catholic priest scientist. What caused it? Things don’t just happen. My answer is either God, or some previous action from God. What do you say?
I have a “decent education”, much higher than 95% of people, but being educated doesn’t stop anyone from being wrong. Or unlikeable. I know I can be guilty of both. Academics can disagree. Very eminent scientists are Catholic and atheist.
I won’t respond to your psychoanalysis of me. You may know more than I about such matters. 
I don’t mind all the abuse directed at me. Christ was crucified for speaking the truth. Almost all his apostles were martyred. 
I’m trying to get the Catholic Church in Australia to change some of its ways, and have been abused and criticised for that.
The last 4 popes have called for a “New Evangelization”. But nothing is being done. That is my personal mission and my main target is the 90% of Catholics in my own parish community who don’t attend Mass and are in effect atheists.
I have time to chat on this forum because nobody in my own parish is listening. The priest and his “leadership team” are too busy “rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic” to consider making any changes. 
God bless you
Barry

(October 29, 2023 at 1:07 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(October 29, 2023 at 12:53 am)Barry Wrote: Hi Val
I agree to calling you by your preferred name if you stop your verbal abuse.  You say “we don’t know the full story …”. Sorry, I do, you can’t speak for anyone else.
Then you say “it’s quite possible”, very vague.
If you think matter might have existed always please explain how we arrived at today from always.
God bless you
Barry

Hi Barry,
I've noticed your passive-aggressive responses to others and your attempts to speak down to them in a way to make them seem smaller to you and to make yourself feel more important.

I've also noticed you play the victim when people don't play your game.  It's a common religious trait, one you may grow out of.  This is why you have accuse me of "verbal abuse", something that is not in any of my responses (yet) and also can't happen in written form.

Also, referring to someone by their preferred name is an, "I will, IF".  It's a matter of courtesy, something many of the religious lack, I know.

I've corrected you.  Have courtesy.  Many here are FAR more tolerant than me.

Science doesn't know the full story.

You're quibbling over terms.

No, you don't know.  You have CLAIMS that you "BELIEVE".

Look up, "The Big Bang Theory".

No, not the TV show.

I'm not going to be strung along by, "please explain", rvery time you want to draw out a pointless discussion because you're looking for a "gotcha" moment.

Everyone in the world with even a modicum of scientific education knows the basics.  Those who don't are simply lacking in a decent education.

I do apologise for referring to "dark age beliefs".

You are correct there.  They're predominantly Bronze Age.

Thanks for playing.

Do you think a person's ideas or interpretations about the origin of the universe would be invalid if they didn't know anything about science?

(October 29, 2023 at 1:54 am)Barry Wrote:

(October 29, 2023 at 1:07 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Hi Barry,
I've noticed your passive-aggressive responses to others and your attempts to speak down to them in a way to make them seem smaller to you and to make yourself feel more important.

I've also noticed you play the victim when people don't play your game.  It's a common religious trait, one you may grow out of.  This is why you have accuse me of "verbal abuse", something that is not in any of my responses (yet) and also can't happen in written form.

Also, referring to someone by their preferred name is an, "I will, IF".  It's a matter of courtesy, something many of the religious lack, I know.

I've corrected you.  Have courtesy.  Many here are FAR more tolerant than me.

Science doesn't know the full story.

You're quibbling over terms.

No, you don't know.  You have CLAIMS that you "BELIEVE".

Look up, "The Big Bang Theory".

No, not the TV show.

I'm not going to be strung along by, "please explain", rvery time you want to draw out a pointless discussion because you're looking for a "gotcha" moment.

Everyone in the world with even a modicum of scientific education knows the basics.  Those who don't are simply lacking in a decent education.

I do apologise for referring to "dark age beliefs".

You are correct there.  They're predominantly Bronze Age.

Thanks for playing.

Hi Valkyrie
Your name is very long, I wasn’t being disrespectful. As for your “verbal abuse”, I apologise for that comment, I confused you with Angryboda who has been very abusive. I’m not offended by “dark age beliefs”. 
So peace be with you.
As for the Big Bang, 14 billion years ago. It was discovered by a Catholic priest scientist. What caused it? Things don’t just happen. My answer is either God, or some previous action from God. What do you say?
I have a “decent education”, much higher than 95% of people, but being educated doesn’t stop anyone from being wrong. Or unlikeable. I know I can be guilty of both. Academics can disagree. Very eminent scientists are Catholic and atheist.
I won’t respond to your psychoanalysis of me. You may know more than I about such matters. 
I don’t mind all the abuse directed at me. Christ was crucified for speaking the truth. Almost all his apostles were martyred. 
I’m trying to get the Catholic Church in Australia to change some of its ways, and have been abused and criticised for that.
The last 4 popes have called for a “New Evangelization”. But nothing is being done. That is my personal mission and my main target is the 90% of Catholics in my own parish community who don’t attend Mass and are in effect atheists.
I have time to chat on this forum because nobody in my own parish is listening. The priest and his “leadership team” are too busy “rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic” to consider making any changes. 
God bless you
Barry

Humans are notoriously ineffective leaders. Pathetic, even. They don't understand how their ineptitude can have a detrimental effect on everyone around them.

(October 28, 2023 at 10:44 pm)Barry Wrote:

(October 28, 2023 at 10:31 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Finally you speak a truth! Gawd is always the easy answer. It takes work to get to real answers!

Hi Raven
It’s not really the easy answer, as we become answerable to God. But an easy answer doesn’t mean it’s a wrong answer.
But let’s say it’s easy,
Can you answer the hard question, if not God - how did the world begin? 
God bless
Barry

Name's not Raven, despite your disrespectful preponderance to take the lazy, easy way out. Until you can show that simple respect, don't expect any actual dialog.

(October 29, 2023 at 1:54 am)Barry Wrote: Hi Valkyrie
Your name is very long, I wasn’t being disrespectful.

(my bold)

Since you've been called on this many times, I'm calling bullshit!

I think Jesus shrank the animals so they would fit on the ark.

(October 29, 2023 at 3:22 am)Ahriman Wrote: I think Jesus shrank the animals so they would fit on the ark.

I think Vishnu shrank your brain so you would think that.

Boru