(November 1, 2023 at 3:05 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: No. Soup kitchens aren't harmful. But they don't require religion.
But religious organizations can and do fund food pantries. Is that harmful? This is a yes-or-no question.
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 But religious organizations can and do fund food pantries. Is that harmful? This is a yes-or-no question.  (November 1, 2023 at 4:56 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(November 1, 2023 at 3:05 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: No. Soup kitchens aren't harmful. But they don't require religion. (Bold mine) I’ll give you any odds you like that it won’t be.  Boru
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November 1, 2023 at 5:13 pm
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Is a good deed done by bad ideological organisation harmful or not? Like, is a food bank run by Nazis harmful or not?
Is a church run food pantry harmful? If forced to give only a Y or N response, I'll say Y to make the provocative point. Although it would be easier to say N (as I previously did in the post you quoted). Why? Because I'm going to take harm here as doing more to hinder progress than not, and cause overall more harm longterm than not. The continuation of the ideology will create more harm over time than the food pantry will relieve suffering. I'm also going to take harm here as meaning causing more harm than necessary. The same people can do the good deed without the religious or Nazi or whatever ideology.   (November 1, 2023 at 5:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(November 1, 2023 at 4:56 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: But religious organizations can and do fund food pantries. Is that harmful? This is a yes-or-no question. Would you call Sai Baba's religious organization nonharmful just because they have food pantries? ![[Image: 2odKpugg_o.jpeg]](https://images2.imgbox.com/76/7d/2odKpugg_o.jpeg)
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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November 1, 2023 at 5:21 pm
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Anecdotal, but the main thing that made the wife start a food pantry here was that the ones that were in operation were, to a man, scams designed to negotiate employee wages down. Consider this..a part...of your overall compensation plan. On the global food aid scale we know that direct food aid is in fact a bad idea that does more harm than good.
Yes, it's harmful for bad actors to run food pantries. It may even, if we allow a little reality to seep into our gotchas, be a bad idea to have food pantries at all. The bandaid becomes the cure, so to speak. Just hand them the cash, or, even better..to take it biblical, teach them to fish. If there were multiple union organizing booths at every food pantry food pantries would go the way of the dodo fast.
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November 1, 2023 at 5:30 pm
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Yeah, Scientologists will also tell you that they are a force for good because all that money that their church is taking from them is actually used for good, like feeding hungry people. And, thus, it is only the non-Scientologists who are ignorant and full of hate that are spreading rumors that Scientology is a scam.
![[Image: scientology.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/Y0DW2sH0/scientology.jpg) Almost as if the whole food pantry thing is just a stunt to brainwash Scientologists to keep giving them money and work for no pay.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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November 1, 2023 at 5:35 pm
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Scam adjacent even when the pantry actually exists - but just as often..it doesn't, and people are pocketing the cash. People will give you tens of millions of dollars just for saying you're gonna feed the poor in china, all christlike..and when you don't...it's not even a crime.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
They had good food at Jonestown.
I am not a fan of trading the needs of some people for preaching. But if someone is hungry or in need and there's nowhere else to turn, I'd rather a person get a meal now and again.
Back in the day I had to go to the food pantry at the Catholic church because my child needed to be fed and there was no place else to go. Also, after being written off by my parents when I got pregnant with my first, Catholic Charities gave me a crib and some other supplies that I needed desperately. Would I rather not have had to resort to baby blankets made by old Catholic ladies? Yeah, but the bottom line is sometimes you do what you have to do to survive. I am not so high and mighty that I can't accept help when it's offered. Now I try to give back. ![[Image: MmQV79M.png]](https://i.imgur.com/MmQV79M.png) |
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