(December 13, 2023 at 12:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 13, 2023 at 12:37 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I would hope the other humans would punish Oog in such a manner that the whole tribe would be dissuaded from doing what Oog did.

Punishment doesn’t deter crime. It never has. What makes you think it would do so in a tribal society?

Boru

Well I would disagree with that. You don't think there would be a lot more crime if the punishments currently in place, were not in place?

(December 13, 2023 at 12:12 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(December 13, 2023 at 12:02 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: What solution do you have in mind? Humans have always been dicks to each other, and that behavior is probably hard-wired.

Bringing back widespread tribal societies would be a good start.

lol, you're the stupidest chatbot I've seen yet.

(December 13, 2023 at 12:55 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(December 13, 2023 at 12:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Punishment doesn’t deter crime. It never has. What makes you think it would do so in a tribal society?

Boru

Well I would disagree with that. You don't think there would be a lot more crime if the punishments currently in place, were not in place?

No, I don’t. And if you think about it for a moment (which would be a novel experience for you), you don’t, either.

Boru

(December 13, 2023 at 1:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 13, 2023 at 12:55 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well I would disagree with that. You don't think there would be a lot more crime if the punishments currently in place, were not in place?

No, I don’t. And if you think about it for a moment (which would be a novel experience for you), you don’t, either.

Boru

I don't think the current system is perfect, but I would much rather have this system than not.

I usually try to avoid ad homs, but those first three words are at least accurate.

(December 13, 2023 at 2:39 am)Astreja Wrote: I think that 2-3 children are more than enough.  (I have one adult daughter and decided in my 30s that I didn't want any more children, although initially the plan was for two.)

Raising children is very hard work, and most of the burden falls on the mother.  The more offspring, the less of her own life she gets to live.

(December 13, 2023 at 5:41 am)Ahriman Wrote: I would say 2 or 3 children is not really enough, but at least you are in support of having children.

Is the mother's "own" life really that important, as long as she is raising children?

Substitute the phrase "the father's 'own' life" in that sentence. How does it sound now?

Of course the woman's own life is important. If someone had told me at age 14 that I could either be an artist or a mother but not both, I would never have gotten into an intimate relationship with a man and I'd be childless.

Fortunately I was able to raise my daughter - who is also an artist and who has chosen to be child-free - and then I focused my attention on music, writing and other things that interest me.

(December 13, 2023 at 4:33 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(December 13, 2023 at 1:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, I don’t. And if you think about it for a moment (which would be a novel experience for you), you don’t, either.

Boru

I don't think the current system is perfect, but I would much rather have this system than not.

The point of criminal law isn’t to reduce crime (it never has been), but to sequester criminals from the general public and to raise money. THAT’S the system.

Boru

(December 13, 2023 at 5:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 13, 2023 at 4:33 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I don't think the current system is perfect, but I would much rather have this system than not.

The point of criminal law isn’t to reduce crime (it never has been), but to sequester criminals from the general public and to raise money. THAT’S the system.

Boru

It's for both reasons.

(December 13, 2023 at 4:43 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(December 13, 2023 at 2:39 am)Astreja Wrote: I think that 2-3 children are more than enough.  (I have one adult daughter and decided in my 30s that I didn't want any more children, although initially the plan was for two.)

Raising children is very hard work, and most of the burden falls on the mother.  The more offspring, the less of her own life she gets to live.

(December 13, 2023 at 5:41 am)Ahriman Wrote: I would say 2 or 3 children is not really enough, but at least you are in support of having children.

Is the mother's "own" life really that important, as long as she is raising children?

Substitute the phrase "the father's 'own' life" in that sentence.  How does it sound now?

Of course the woman's own life is important.  If someone had told me at age 14 that I could either be an artist or a mother but not both, I would never have gotten into an intimate relationship with a man and I'd be childless.

Fortunately I was able to raise my daughter - who is also an artist and who has chosen to be child-free - and then I focused my attention on music, writing and other things that interest me.

Well, I must say, being a mother is a lot more important than being an artist. Making art is a hobby, while being a mother is a duty.

(December 13, 2023 at 7:00 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(December 13, 2023 at 4:43 pm)Astreja Wrote: Substitute the phrase "the father's 'own' life" in that sentence.  How does it sound now?

Of course the woman's own life is important.  If someone had told me at age 14 that I could either be an artist or a mother but not both, I would never have gotten into an intimate relationship with a man and I'd be childless.

Fortunately I was able to raise my daughter - who is also an artist and who has chosen to be child-free - and then I focused my attention on music, writing and other things that interest me.

Well, I must say, being a mother is a lot more important than being an artist. Making art is a hobby, while being a mother is a duty.

You need to back away from the keyboard.