So long as it is not an American dream, since that is just pure fantasy.

Autumn + Winter = Autter

(February 9, 2024 at 1:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 9, 2024 at 1:31 pm)brewer Wrote: Science doesn't save (or destroy) anything, it just is. What humans do with science is a different discussion.

Example, Hitler used science in his gas chambers, think it thru if you have the ability.

(Bold mine)

If you’re gonna dream, dream big, I always say.

Boru

I knew it would be a stretch when typed.

(February 9, 2024 at 1:31 pm)brewer Wrote:

(February 9, 2024 at 1:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Science-worship is the real Christianity. Because Christ means "savior" and science is the savior of mankind, therefore science is Christ and the worship of Christ (science) is Christianity.

Science doesn't save (or destroy) anything, it just is. What humans do with science is a different discussion.

Example, Hitler used science in his gas chambers, think it thru if you have the ability.

What humans do with science isn't a differnt discussion, it's the only discussion, in this context, because only humans use science. You're asking me to disregard the fact that science saves or destroys anything, then you bring up Hitler and gas chambers. You're making an empty emotional appeal.

(February 9, 2024 at 2:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(February 9, 2024 at 1:31 pm)brewer Wrote: Science doesn't save (or destroy) anything, it just is. What humans do with science is a different discussion.

Example, Hitler used science in his gas chambers, think it thru if you have the ability.

What humans do with science isn't a differnt discussion, it's the only discussion, in this context, because only humans use science. You're asking me to disregard the fact that science saves or destroys anything, then you bring up Hitler and gas chambers. You're making an empty emotional appeal.

Thinking failure, as some here expected.

(February 9, 2024 at 2:05 pm)brewer Wrote:

(February 9, 2024 at 2:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote: What humans do with science isn't a differnt discussion, it's the only discussion, in this context, because only humans use science. You're asking me to disregard the fact that science saves or destroys anything, then you bring up Hitler and gas chambers. You're making an empty emotional appeal.

Thinking failure, as some here expected.

There was nothing to think about. You made an emotional appeal.

(February 9, 2024 at 2:06 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(February 9, 2024 at 2:05 pm)brewer Wrote: Thinking failure, as some here expected.

There was nothing to think about. You made an emotional appeal.

Nope, pointed out a fact the science can be applied in many ways. Your claim of saving/savior was the emotional appeal.

(February 9, 2024 at 2:09 pm)brewer Wrote:

(February 9, 2024 at 2:06 pm)Ahriman Wrote: There was nothing to think about. You made an emotional appeal.

Nope, pointed out a fact the science can be applied in many ways. Your claim of saving/savior was the emotional appeal.

Well, you're completely wrong. But I'm not going to argue with you.

(February 9, 2024 at 2:01 pm)OAhriman Wrote:

(February 9, 2024 at 1:31 pm)brewer Wrote: Science doesn't save (or destroy) anything, it just is. What humans do with science is a different discussion.

Example, Hitler used science in his gas chambers, think it thru if you have the ability.

What humans do with science isn't a differnt discussion, it's the only discussion, in this context, because only humans use science. You're asking me to disregard the fact that science saves or destroys anything, then you bring up Hitler and gas chambers. You're making an empty emotional appeal.

Of course it’s a different discussion. A scientific discovery is, by itself, amoral - it’s the application of that discovery which makes it moral or immoral.

To cite just one example (out of many thousands) mustard gas was first synthesized in the early 19th century, but not used as a chemical warfare agent for nearly 100 years. Since then, it has killed hundreds of thousands of people. Oddly enough, it was also the chemical basis for the first chemotherapy treatments.

There is a wide, wide gulf between science and its application.

Boru