(July 1, 2024 at 7:19 am)Foxaèr Wrote:

(July 1, 2024 at 6:08 am)Pavlov Wrote: I'm confused. Is a "trans woman" a female to male transsexual, or a male to female transsexual?

Trans woman: male to female.
Trans man: female to male.

So, a "trans woman" is someone of the male sex (a man) who "transitioned" to the female sex? 

And a "trans man" is someone of the female sex (a woman) who "transitioned" to the male sex? 

But how do they do that? I mean, even if they have an operation, it doesn't change their sex, it only changes their appearance. It's still a man, a male. The operation changes neither their sex, nor what they think they are.

(July 1, 2024 at 9:48 am)Pavlov Wrote:

(July 1, 2024 at 7:19 am)Foxaèr Wrote: Trans woman: male to female.
Trans man: female to male.

So, a "trans woman" is someone of the male sex (a man) who "transitioned" to the female sex gender? 

And a "trans man" is someone of the female sex (a woman) who "transitioned" to the male sex gender? 

But how do they do that? I mean, even if they have an operation, it doesn't change their sex, it only changes their appearance. It's still a man, a male. The operation changes neither their sex, nor what they think they are.

FTFY. You're basically begging the question if you use male sex as a synonym for man, and similarly with female sex. It's implicitly rejecting the concept of gender.

(July 1, 2024 at 9:55 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(July 1, 2024 at 9:48 am)Pavlov Wrote: So, a "trans woman" is someone of the male sex (a man) who "transitioned" to the female sex? 

And a "trans man" is someone of the female sex (a woman) who "transitioned" to the male sex? 

But how do they do that? I mean, even if they have an operation, it doesn't change their sex, it only changes their appearance. It's still a man, a male. The operation changes neither their sex, nor what they think they are.

FTFY.  You're basically begging the question if you use male sex as a synonym for man, and similarly with female sex.  It's implicitly rejecting the concept of gender.

I do reject it explicitly. It's garbage. I hope that clarifies.

(July 1, 2024 at 9:56 am)Pavlov Wrote:

(July 1, 2024 at 9:55 am)Angrboda Wrote: FTFY.  You're basically begging the question if you use male sex as a synonym for man, and similarly with female sex.  It's implicitly rejecting the concept of gender.

I do reject it explicitly. It's garbage. I hope that clarifies.

That's fine, but you need to justify your rejection of it, not simply assert it, implicitly or otherwise. That's just ipse dixit and can be rejected without prejudice.

(July 1, 2024 at 10:00 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(July 1, 2024 at 9:56 am)Pavlov Wrote: I do reject it explicitly. It's garbage. I hope that clarifies.

That's fine, but you need to justify your rejection of it, not simply assert it, implicitly or otherwise.  That's just ipse dixit and can be rejected without prejudice.

Come now. We all know that some people make all kinds of ludicrous assertions without justification or proof. 

They seem to have very colorful imaginations.

(July 1, 2024 at 10:39 am)Pavlov Wrote:

(July 1, 2024 at 10:00 am)Angrboda Wrote: That's fine, but you need to justify your rejection of it, not simply assert it, implicitly or otherwise.  That's just ipse dixit and can be rejected without prejudice.

Come now. We all know that some people make all kinds of ludicrous assertions without justification or proof. 

They seem to have very colorful imaginations.

Is it your goal to be one of those people?

If a person decides, for whatever reason, to change their sex, what does it have to do with you? It's none of your business.

(July 1, 2024 at 9:48 am)Pavlov Wrote:

(July 1, 2024 at 7:19 am)Foxaèr Wrote: Trans woman: male to female.
Trans man: female to male.

So, a "trans woman" is someone of the male sex (a man) who "transitioned" to the female sex? 

And a "trans man" is someone of the female sex (a woman) who "transitioned" to the male sex? 

But how do they do that? I mean, even if they have an operation, it doesn't change their sex, it only changes their appearance. It's still a man, a male. The operation changes neither their sex, nor what they think they are.

The identity coincides with who they are in their minds.

(July 1, 2024 at 7:02 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: The identity coincides with who they are in their minds.

It's interesting to see that we're getting away from the Enlightenment, scientistic idea that for us to consider something true, it must be confirmed through empirical and objective methods. 

Post-modern, post-Enlightenment views give more credence to what an individual mind holds to be true, even absent empirical confirmation.

Psychology is considered to be science, and typically one has to see a therapist before beginning the transition.