(April 16, 2025 at 11:46 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @Drew_2013

To avoid any new thread closures in the future, maybe you could try some different topics, so you sound less like a Top 40 radio station that white knuckles that same five songs in an infinite loop. If you can't think of anything else to post about, here are a few suggestions:

-Sport

-Andalusian folk music

-Favourite recipes featuring exotic fruits

-The benefits of manufactured gem stones

-Tarot cards and/or Ouija boards

-The films of Steve Buscemi

-The history of cheese

-Sub-Saharan drum construction

Life is too short to be a one-note Johnny.

Boru

He really should stick to non apologetic topics as he has no talent for it and clearly has a thin skin for pushback

(April 16, 2025 at 9:49 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:

(April 15, 2025 at 6:42 am)Alan V Wrote: In general, theists keep promoting their philosophical arguments when cosmology long ago became a science.  Drew is just another case of Maslow's hammer.

They haven't caught up with the simple fact that science, again and again, has decisively shown that the way the universe actually works is counter-intuitive.

You have to be able to do the math, or at least to believe the people who can.

You folks are such faithful believers I believe you start boards like this just to re-affirm you faith.

Atheism isn't a belief, and religious faith is the antithesis of atheism. 

Faith 
noun
1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2. strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

I may use the first, when the methodology and objective evidence merit it, but I have no use whatsoever for the second, obviously. 

Quote: You convince yourselves there is overwhelming evidence against a Creator and solid evidence the universe and life was caused inadvertently. 

Just repeating the same lie over and over after it has been explained multiple times, might be considered trolling, Drew. The physical universe exists as an objective fact, it is also an objective fact that organic life has emerged on at least one planet that we know of, causal natural phenomena exist as an objective fact, now...what objective evidence can you demonstrate that any deity, or anything supernatural is even possible? 

Quote:Yet only a pathetic number of people subscribe to atheism. 

This is another bare appeal to numbers Drew, an argumentum ad populum fallacy.  

Quote:Its not theists (Falwell or Swaggert) who are claiming we live in a multiverse its reputable scientists. 

The multiverse hypothesis does not in any way, evidence that any deity or anything supernatural is possible. 

Quote:When are you folks going to straighten these scientists out...explain about the water and the puddle. 

The multiverse hypothesis is not at odds with a lack of belief in any deity or deities, so what on earth are you talking about? You're producing pure gibberish now.

(April 16, 2025 at 9:23 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:

(April 15, 2025 at 2:40 pm)Alan V Wrote: Too many theists believe they have the inside track to inspired knowledge of the world (through their scriptures or the holy ghost or whatever).  Too many of them don't trust the experts anymore, since the experts tell them that counter-intuitive ideas are in fact correct.

Sometimes I think we are progressing too fast for our little ape-brains to keep up.  Other times I simply blame certain people for not doing their homework.

I've relied on what scientists have established and are reporting. I've quoted scientists and cut and pasted their findings. Not one quote from scripture from me.

Because you’d fail far worse than you are now

(April 16, 2025 at 9:41 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 9:17 am)Drew_2013 Wrote: I tried to reset the debate from a different angle with a new post and though it grew to three pages fast, it was shut down as spam. Religious folk don't want me on their boards anymore than this group does. 

There is no need to debunk a belief that only manages to convince 5% of the population. I should spend time debunking Big Foot and UFO's.

You posted your list of things that are evidence for God in that thread, which duplicated what you've written here.  I suspect that is why your thread got shut down.  If you started a thread that wasn't a repeat of prior material, I don't think you would meet a similar objection.  By my light, you've been pushing Rees' book and fine-tuning on this forum for at least 10 years.  Maybe it's time that you got some new material.

That and it didn't help that just prior he told everyone he is a dishonest troll, to then make a copy+ paste thread while adding a clickbait title.

(April 16, 2025 at 10:04 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 9:58 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Your mind-reading act really hasn't improved.


And you wonder why we don't welcome your cheerful ray of sunshine back with a big party.

1) I don't wonder at all. 2) I'm sure I'm a cold splash of water at an affirmation party. 3) It's fairly obvious you don't encourage a dissenting point of view. 4) Don't want to lose any of the few  faithful.

1) That has been perfectly clear for some time. It's often the case with an utterly closed mind. 
2) Nope, you're spiel just isn't new, or remotely original, I've seen this irrational guff peddled countless times over the years. 
3) I think we can add debate to the growing list of words you don't understand. 
4) More lame projection, it properly boils your piss that atheists exist, and are not buying your magic beans though, that much couldn't be any clearer.

Stop sulking Drew, it's not very becoming, no one is obliged to share your irrational and unevidenced superstition, get over it.

(April 16, 2025 at 1:22 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 9:41 am)Angrboda Wrote: You posted your list of things that are evidence for God in that thread, which duplicated what you've written here.  I suspect that is why your thread got shut down.  If you started a thread that wasn't a repeat of prior material, I don't think you would meet a similar objection.  By my light, you've been pushing Rees' book and fine-tuning on this forum for at least 10 years.  Maybe it's time that you got some new material.

That and it didn't help that just prior he told everyone he is a dishonest troll, to then make a copy+ paste thread while adding a clickbait title.

Good threads on a discussion board are supposed to be click bait. You prefer boring titles no one is interested in?

Quote:Good threads on a discussion board are supposed to be click bait. You prefer boring titles no one is interested in?

You repeating the same stupid talking points based on a ridiculous accusation is anything but good and nothing less then click bait. What you went with was as boring as what you wrote 

(April 16, 2025 at 12:42 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Or he could tried to learn why his arguments are irrational, instead of making up pointless lies, in the form of ad hominem reposts, that don't address his many fallacious arguments, or the rational objections at all. No one is saying that @Drew_2013 can't be as irrational as he likes, or set as low a bar for credulity as he likes, after all, only why his arguments are irrational / weak, and why his threshold for credulity is  subjective, and they don't or rather can't share it.

You like many atheists, you are under the mistaken belief I measure the veracity of my arguments and facts and points I make depending on your approval. You're the loyal opposition I expect nothing but the usual shop worn arguments which you haven't failed to deliver. 

Note. No one has come close to convincing me the universe and intelligent life came about by forces that didn't intend anything to exist or even there own existence. No explanation, no model just believe in mindless natural forces...

(April 16, 2025 at 3:12 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 12:42 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Or he could tried to learn why his arguments are irrational, instead of making up pointless lies, in the form of ad hominem reposts, that don't address his many fallacious arguments, or the rational objections at all. No one is saying that @Drew_2013 can't be as irrational as he likes, or set as low a bar for credulity as he likes, after all, only why his arguments are irrational / weak, and why his threshold for credulity is  subjective, and they don't or rather can't share it.

You like many atheists, you are under the mistaken belief I measure the veracity of my arguments and facts and points I make depending on your approval. You're the loyal opposition I expect nothing but the usual shop worn arguments which you haven't failed to deliver. 

Note. No one has come close to convincing me the universe and intelligent life came about by forces that didn't intend anything to exist or even there own existence. No explanation, no model just believe in mindless natural forces...

Blahbitty blahbitty blah.

If you could scrounge up an original thought, I’m sure we’d all be delighted to see it.

Boru

(April 16, 2025 at 3:06 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:Good threads on a discussion board are supposed to be click bait. You prefer boring titles no one is interested in?

You repeating the same stupid talking points based on a ridiculous accusation is anything but good and nothing less then click bait. What you went with was as boring as what you wrote 

Who in the world would think a discussion about theism VS atheism would breakout on an atheist discussion board. Is the board just looking for fellow believers for a friendly fireside discussion?