(April 16, 2025 at 3:12 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 12:42 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Or he could tried to learn why his arguments are irrational, instead of making up pointless lies, in the form of ad hominem reposts, that don't address his many fallacious arguments, or the rational objections at all. No one is saying that @Drew_2013 can't be as irrational as he likes, or set as low a bar for credulity as he likes, after all, only why his arguments are irrational / weak, and why his threshold for credulity is  subjective, and they don't or rather can't share it.

You like many atheists, you are under the mistaken belief I measure the veracity of my arguments and facts and points I make depending on your approval. 

Nope, this is just one more thing you are utterly clueless about, but it was you who sought me out, chuckles, so a massive irony overload there. That self awareness doesn't seem to be within your skill set yet. 

Quote:You're the loyal opposition I expect nothing but the usual shop worn arguments which you haven't failed to deliver. 

Your closed minded expectations are of no consequence, your arguments have been relentlessly irrational, and you have no objective evidence any deity or anything supernatural is even possible, and that's the first hurdle chuckles, and you keep falling at it. Thought the comedy gold of your projection is again palpable, lets try capital letters...YOU SOUGHT US OUT, YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIMS...tic toc tic toc, penny going to drop at any point, chuckles?

Quote:No one has come close to convincing me the universe and intelligent life came about by forces that didn't intend anything to exist or even there own existence. No explanation, no model just believe in mindless natural forces...

No one needs to convince you of this straw man fallacy you keep lying about, and it is still an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy to argue your unevidenced sky wizard exists because we lack an alternative explanation. Though ironically your claim has no explanatory powers anyway. 
How many more times are you going to repeat your fallacious claims? No one is buying your snake oil Drew, you've come to the wrong market. try a pulpit or a revival tent maybe.

Quote:You like many atheists, you are under the mistaken belief I measure the veracity of my arguments and facts and points I make depending on your approval. You're the loyal opposition I expect nothing but the usual shop worn arguments which you haven't failed to deliver. 

You like many theist strut in acting like your the smartest kid on the block repeat the same tired rubbish we had heard a million times then simply scream " your the opposition so I can't be wrong " to anyone who doesn't swallow your nonsense. Your position has been devastated no matter how you refuse to accept it you failed in every way to push your argument and failed to refute any point we have made.  

Quote:Note. No one has come close to convincing me the universe and intelligent life came about by forces that didn't intend anything to exist or even there own existence. No explanation, no model just believe in mindless natural forces...

Frankly no one cares if your convinced and throwing out more of the same strawmen and repeating the same tired talking points fails yet again

(April 15, 2025 at 5:37 pm)Astreja Wrote: Then show me the actual fucking god, O mortal.

(April 16, 2025 at 9:20 am)Drew_2013 Wrote: No philosophical masturbation like the water in the puddle story? It takes a lot of whacking to convince oneself that has anything to do with the fine-tuning of the universe.

No evidence for gods, nothing to do the alleged "fine tuning."

Do you actually worship this hypothetical tuning expert? Why? What do you get out of it?

(April 16, 2025 at 3:12 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Note. No one has come close to convincing me the universe and intelligent life came about by forces that didn't intend anything to exist or even there own existence. No explanation, no model just believe in mindless natural forces...

In my estimation, from what I have read, you don't understand the science of cosmology well enough to begin to understand possible scientific hypotheses.

No one here is preventing you from doing your own homework, nor do we care enough about you to try to do it for you beyond a point.

If you aren't interested, fine. Suit yourself. Just don't continue to act surprised that no one here is convinced by your own ideas. That's dishonest.

Quote:Who in the world would think a discussion about theism VS atheism would breakout on an atheist discussion board.

Those happen all the time and unlike the crap you posted sometimes they are actually good 

Quote: Is the board just looking for fellow believers for a friendly fireside discussion?

There is no such thing as an "atheist believer " atheism is defined by absence of belief not belief in of itself and we disagree even among ourselves so feeble attempts to project religious notions onto us fails

(April 16, 2025 at 3:03 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 1:22 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: That and it didn't help that just prior he told everyone he is a dishonest troll, to then make a copy+ paste thread while adding a clickbait title.

Good threads on a discussion board are supposed to be click bait. You prefer boring titles no one is interested in?

This isn't twitter.  Titles should be written as to briefly express the intent of the post within (Posts labeled Humor not withstanding). That's not a hard rule by the way.

There are plenty of great discussions here that had non clickbait titles.
 
Personally I would prefer plain honesty from you instead of the petulance you've been doing but I'm weird that way.

Quote:No philosophical masturbation like the water in the puddle story? It takes a lot of whacking to convince oneself that has anything to do with the fine-tuning of the universe.

Nah the puddle analogy is valid and demonstrates any attempt asserting fine tuning is just as well explained by the reversal and the only way fine tuning comes out as an idea is if you engage in selective mental masturbation and personnel credulity ending the assertion of "magic somehow" The only one here whose mentally jerking off here is you buddy so get a room already .

(April 16, 2025 at 3:12 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 12:42 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Or he could tried to learn why his arguments are irrational, instead of making up pointless lies, in the form of ad hominem reposts, that don't address his many fallacious arguments, or the rational objections at all. No one is saying that @Drew_2013 can't be as irrational as he likes, or set as low a bar for credulity as he likes, after all, only why his arguments are irrational / weak, and why his threshold for credulity is  subjective, and they don't or rather can't share it.

You like many atheists, you are under the mistaken belief I measure the veracity of my arguments and facts and points I make depending on your approval.

What gave you that idea?

(April 16, 2025 at 3:49 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 3:12 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: You like many atheists, you are under the mistaken belief I measure the veracity of my arguments and facts and points I make depending on your approval.

What gave you that idea?

His inflated sense of self importance as if he left any of us would even recall him and tired oft repeated nonsense in a week

(April 16, 2025 at 3:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 3:12 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: You like many atheists, you are under the mistaken belief I measure the veracity of my arguments and facts and points I make depending on your approval. You're the loyal opposition I expect nothing but the usual shop worn arguments which you haven't failed to deliver. 

Note. No one has come close to convincing me the universe and intelligent life came about by forces that didn't intend anything to exist or even there own existence. No explanation, no model just believe in mindless natural forces...

Blahbitty blahbitty blah.

If you could scrounge up an original thought, I’m sure we’d all be delighted to see it.

Boru

Well it would a twist for sure, but lets not get too excited until we see an original thought from Drew. Though it would of course be indicative of a step (small) away from closed minded indoctrination. That would be great obviously, for Drew I mean. It might still be a lot of hard road for the rest of us, nursing him from there to independent objective critical and rational thought.