(July 22, 2025 at 10:35 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(July 22, 2025 at 5:14 pm)Rizen Wrote: The issue with this is that it treats science like a religion, which it shouldn't. Science should absolutely be taught in schools because it's a form of education and learning. Christianity should absolutely not be taught in schools because there's supposed to be a separation of church and state. Everyone in the world should have the right and privilege to be educated in a system of schools. As people become more educated they naturally stray away from religion.

What has been said on this thread to treat science like religion? They are obviously very different things with different methods and goals. 

The mistake I often see is that people assume religion to be just a failed kind of science. This is far too simple.

Maybe I should clarify. No one on this thread said that but Republicans often perpetuate false equivalencies between science and Christianity. They're actively trying to make the Bible taught in schools. That's what I was talking about. Religion should never be taught in any school.

(July 23, 2025 at 8:47 am)Nanny Wrote:

(July 22, 2025 at 5:14 pm)Rizen Wrote: The issue with this is that it treats science like a religion, which it shouldn't. Science should absolutely be taught in schools because it's a form of education and learning. Christianity should absolutely not be taught in schools because there's supposed to be a separation of church and state. Everyone in the world should have the right and privilege to be educated in a system of schools. As people become more educated they naturally stray away from religion.

Who said not to teach science or to teach religion in public schools? I simply don't care that much what other people choose to believe. If not for religious schools millions of children worldwide wouldn't get any education. Kids can't do science if they're illiterate.

Or the schools could just not teach religious aspects instead of forcing dogma on kids as a kind of brainwashing. No religion should ever be taught in any school. There's no excuse.

(July 23, 2025 at 12:26 pm)Rizen Wrote:

(July 22, 2025 at 10:35 pm)Belacqua Wrote: What has been said on this thread to treat science like religion? They are obviously very different things with different methods and goals. 

The mistake I often see is that people assume religion to be just a failed kind of science. This is far too simple.

Maybe I should clarify. No one on this thread said that but Republicans often perpetuate false equivalencies between science and Christianity. They're actively trying to make the Bible taught in schools. That's what I was talking about. Religion should never be taught in any school.

Religion should never be taught in any tax funded public school except in the context of the history of a country or the social makeup of a country.  You simply cannot teach about fully about history without the mention of religion and religious based events coming into play.

While in Catholic school, I took a course called World Religions, it was actually a good class.

(July 23, 2025 at 12:33 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(July 23, 2025 at 12:26 pm)Rizen Wrote: Maybe I should clarify. No one on this thread said that but Republicans often perpetuate false equivalencies between science and Christianity. They're actively trying to make the Bible taught in schools. That's what I was talking about. Religion should never be taught in any school.

Religion should never be taught in any tax funded public school except in the context of the history of a country or the social makeup of a country.  You simply cannot teach about fully about history without the mention of religion and religious based events coming into play.

While in Catholic school, I took a course called World Religions, it was actually a good class.

Agreed. 

To be clear, I think religions have had a far more negative impact than positive throughout history and should eventually be done away with. But realistically there's no feasible way to do that and won't be for a very long time so for now I think furthering education is the best answer we have.

(July 23, 2025 at 12:52 pm)Rizen Wrote:

(July 23, 2025 at 12:33 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Religion should never be taught in any tax funded public school except in the context of the history of a country or the social makeup of a country.  You simply cannot teach about fully about history without the mention of religion and religious based events coming into play.

While in Catholic school, I took a course called World Religions, it was actually a good class.

Agreed. 

To be clear, I think religions have had a far more negative impact than positive throughout history and should eventually be done away with. But realistically there's no feasible way to do that and won't be for a very long time so for now I think furthering education is the best answer we have.

I think organized religion is likely to disappear faster than you think, particularly mainstream Christianity. Church attendance is falling faster than a skydiver with a defective parachute, primarily because Christian sects are not addressing the wants and needs of their membership.

I think that as less and less people attend religious services, the more likely they are to adopt a more - for want of a better word - wholesome religious viewpoint. In other words, they might pay more attention to Jesus and less to St. Paul.

Boru

(July 23, 2025 at 1:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 23, 2025 at 12:52 pm)Rizen Wrote: Agreed. 

To be clear, I think religions have had a far more negative impact than positive throughout history and should eventually be done away with. But realistically there's no feasible way to do that and won't be for a very long time so for now I think furthering education is the best answer we have.

I think organized religion is likely to disappear faster than you think, particularly mainstream Christianity. Church attendance is falling faster than a skydiver with a defective parachute, primarily because Christian sects are not addressing the wants and needs of their membership.

I think that as less and less people attend religious services, the more likely they are to adopt a more - for want of a better word - wholesome religious viewpoint. In other words, they might pay more attention to Jesus and less to St. Paul.

Boru

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” -Mahatma Gandhi

(July 23, 2025 at 1:37 pm)Rizen Wrote:

(July 23, 2025 at 1:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think organized religion is likely to disappear faster than you think, particularly mainstream Christianity. Church attendance is falling faster than a skydiver with a defective parachute, primarily because Christian sects are not addressing the wants and needs of their membership.

I think that as less and less people attend religious services, the more likely they are to adopt a more - for want of a better word - wholesome religious viewpoint. In other words, they might pay more attention to Jesus and less to St. Paul.

Boru

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” -Mahatma Gandhi

‘I think it would be a very good idea.’ - The Mahatma, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

Boru

(July 23, 2025 at 12:32 pm)Rizen Wrote:

(July 23, 2025 at 8:47 am)Nanny Wrote: Who said not to teach science or to teach religion in public schools? I simply don't care that much what other people choose to believe. If not for religious schools millions of children worldwide wouldn't get any education. Kids can't do science if they're illiterate.

Or the schools could just not teach religious aspects instead of forcing dogma on kids as a kind of brainwashing. No religion should ever be taught in any school. There's no excuse.

So no education is better than attending a school run by a religious organization? Have you been out of the country ever? Do you think every country has a public school system equivalent to that of the USA? The world is not as simple as you make it out to be.

(July 23, 2025 at 2:16 pm)Nanny Wrote:

(July 23, 2025 at 12:32 pm)Rizen Wrote: Or the schools could just not teach religious aspects instead of forcing dogma on kids as a kind of brainwashing. No religion should ever be taught in any school. There's no excuse.

So no education is better than attending a school run by a religious organization? Have you been out of the country ever? Do you think every country has a public school system equivalent to that of the USA? The world is not as simple as you make it out to be.

This is a pathetic ad hominem. What I'm sayings is simply keeps schools academic. You're completely missing my point. Any schools with religious teachings can function without them. The options never included no school at all- you just made that up. I'm sick of having religion forced down my throat. Schools teaching religion as fact are archaic and wrong anywhere in the world. It's 2025; why are we still living in the dark ages?

@Rizen

Quote:Or the schools could just not teach religious aspects instead of forcing dogma on kids as a kind of brainwashing. No religion should ever be taught in any school. There's no excuse.

But that’s a false equivalence. You can’t teach, for example, history without including its religious aspects. Would it be fair to teach Shakespeare without mentioning his views on religion? Would you exclude teaching about religious scientists whose religious beliefs motivated their inquiries (Newton, Mendel, Copernicus)? I think it’s not only possible but necessary to include religious aspects of these and other subjects without ‘forcing dogma on kids as a kind of brainwashing’. To not do so would be a disservice to students.

Apologies in advance if I misunderstood what you were driving at.

Boru