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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:06 pm
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Sure, that's what I'm saying...sigh. You really aren't interested in history or archaeology whatsoever are you?
There's history as we like to tell it, history as recorded by the victor...or history as demonstrated by evidence. Sometimes they converge, many times they do not. If all we had to go on were stories we'd be in a very sad place.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 1:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Sure, that's what I'm saying...sigh. You really aren't interested in history or archaeology whatsoever are you?
There's history as we like to tell it, history as recorded by the victor...or history as demonstrated by evidence. Sometimes they converge, many times they do not.
well there's lots of historical evidence of Jesus' existance. i posted all the quoting documents, and posted credible sites for skeptical interjections and such. the fact is there is more evidence of him than Mohamed.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:14 pm
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Believe that what you've posted was already commented upon at length. I don't know why you keep referencing mohamed as if you're having a discussion with a hardline muslim. I think mohamed and jesus are equally steeped in myth and storytelling. There are plenty of claims to evidence, to be sure. There are none that stand up to scrutiny. You can quote them, post them, etch them in stone, won't change that. Shovels are cheap, if it's important to you maybe you should look into a career change?
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Rhythm Wrote:Believe that what you've posted was already commented upon at length. I don't know why you keep referencing mohamed as if you're having a discussion with a hardline muslim. I think mohamed and jesus are equally steeped in myth and storytelling.
that's your opinion but what else do they have in common? they both existed as humans. reguardless of the fact that you may think they were liers, crazy, or blown out of proportion; they both existed.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:20 pm
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You're having immense amounts of trouble establishing mundane human versions of these two characters. When you're done establishing that, the gap between a human being and a demi-god (by any name) is immense.
Honestly I have no idea why you would want to box either of these characters in with material reality to begin with. Why argue for a human jesus if you would prefer to put your faith in a godly jesus? Establishing, for example, that human beings exist (which is all you would be establishing) does not make any stories about demi-gods more likely to be true.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Quote:well there's lots of historical evidence of Jesus' existance. i posted all the quoting documents,
You posted a lot of apologetic horseshit. You're so fucking blinded that you can't tell the difference.
And mohammed is every bit as phony as fucking jesus and for exactly the same reason. There is NO CONTEMPORARY EVIDENCE for him or even anyone like him. Just like fucking jesus, it is nothing but a bunch of stories which grew up after the fact.
Citing gospel accounts is like watching Star Wars and saying that it proves Luke Skywalker existed.
And the muslims are every bit as fucking stupid as the xtians.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:24 pm
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Rhythm Wrote:Honestly I have no idea why you would want to box either of these characters in with material reality to begin with. Why argue for a human jesus if you would prefer to put your faith in a godly jesus?
because i'm sick of ignorant arguements that Jesus never existed as a person when that's not at all true. they think if they say it enough people will believe them and that if Jesus never even existed and was a made up story then all Christians are just liers then.
Minimalist Wrote:And mohammed is every bit as phony as fucking jesus and for exactly the same reason. There is NO CONTEMPORARY EVIDENCE for him or even anyone like him. Just like fucking jesus, it is nothing but a bunch of stories which grew up after the fact.
stories in our history textbooks along with alexander the great.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:32 pm
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There might be a little more than stories with regards to Alexander The Great, but whatever. Why are these arguments ignorant, because you believe? Because of the sources you cite? Neither of these is any reason to characterize them as ignorant.
If the claim was "A human being named jesus existed and may have said some fairly wise things (or maybe not, depending)" I doubt you'd find too much resistance. It's all the baggage attached that begins to give you trouble
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Rhythm Wrote:The Great, but whatever. Why are these arguments ignorant, because you believe?
because there's a lot of history supporting the existance of Jesus. many people who wrote about his existance and not one skeptic of the time claiming he didn't exist. the arguement shouldn't be, and never was whether he exists but whether he is the son of God. saying there is no historical evidence is a claim of ignorance.
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Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
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And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 8, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Alexander the Great was written about by his contemporaries. So was Julius Caesar before you trot out that tired old canard.
Funny that your godboy was not, isn't it?
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