(September 18, 2026 at 10:16 am)Jal Wrote:

(September 18, 2026 at 9:52 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Panpsychism applied to trinitarian belief leaves you with polytheism or modalism.  An effect of the combination problem in theory of mind.

What percentage of your brain matter would you happily relinquish at once? 



In other words, millions of material pieces constitute ONE PERSON.

The biblical Trinity simply expresses the fact that God identifies His ONE PERSON as three primary pieces.

It isn't rocket science. It's just panpsychism.

It isn't science of any kind, since panpsychism is unfalsifiable and therefore untestable, it is also unevidenced, and despite your tedious repetition of the claim, it also still has no explanatory powers, it more explains Christianity than magic explain Harry Potter novels. 

The fact that human brains are made up of constituent cells, is not evidence that each cell has the same characteristics as what they make up, that is an asinine claim.

(September 18, 2026 at 10:19 am)Jal Wrote:

(September 18, 2026 at 10:14 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Still gibberish in a panpsychic world Jal.  If gibberish is a problem for your superstitious beliefs…I’ve got some bad news for you….

Superstitious? You're a liar. I have defined Yahweh as simply one of us - the first of us to evolve. He has no magical powers, no supernatural abilities, as I have defined Him.

Yet more than once, you've tried to associate my views to supernatural magic. Which makes you a bald-faced liar.

Your the liar, as anyone can see you claimed this deity you've imagined is billions of years old, in your op, so of course it's superstitious guff.

(September 18, 2026 at 4:39 pm)Jal Wrote:

(September 18, 2026 at 4:30 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Glad to know where you stand.

You are a vile piece of garbage. A malignant tumor in a human body casing. You are the equivalent of the collective bubbling foam algae that forms on the egdes of sewage treatement pipes. I do not care one whit if you are a troll or not.

Do not quote me;  you will not be getting any further replies from me.

Anyone who wishes to continue to converse with this child rape apologist may do so, but do so with the understanding they are a virulent scumbag piece of shit.


NO CHILD DESERVES TO BE RAPED

I sincerely hope your hell exists because when you finally stop robbing the world of oxygen,  you will be festering in it.

You're not thinking it through. Let's suppose that Hitler, instead of killing himself, had the following alternative at his disposal:
An age-reversal capsule. 

Just before his enemies can nab him, he jumps into the capsule and transforms himself into a child to escape justice.

This is a man who killed 6 million Jews. Now he is child again. Should he get away scot-free? No. Does he deserve to be killed? Yes. Tortured? Yes.

Raped? Yes. 

I'm sorry you disagree with Yahweh's sense of justice.

It didn't take long did it, for your crazy superstitious guff to have you espousing pernicious wankery, that implies it is ever moral to justify the rape of a child. 

Luckily there is no evidence that any such deity exists, as if it did I'd be morally obliged to tell it to fuck right off.

You have also used yet another false dichotomy fallacy to evade a direct question, using superstition as well, as Hitler taking a pill t make him a child is nonsensical magic, if the result were an innocent child then no he would not deserve to be harmed, let alone tortured as you gleefully claimed.

(September 19, 2026 at 4:33 am)Sheldon Wrote:

(September 18, 2026 at 4:39 pm)Jal Wrote: You're not thinking it through. Let's suppose that Hitler, instead of killing himself, had the following alternative at his disposal:
An age-reversal capsule. 

Just before his enemies can nab him, he jumps into the capsule and transforms himself into a child to escape justice.

This is a man who killed 6 million Jews. Now he is child again. Should he get away scot-free? No. Does he deserve to be killed? Yes. Tortured? Yes.

Raped? Yes. 

I'm sorry you disagree with Yahweh's sense of justice.

It didn't take long did it, for your crazy superstitious guff to have you espousing pernicious wankery, that implies it is ever moral to justify the rape of a child. 

Luckily there is no evidence that any such deity exists, as if it did I'd be morally obliged to tell it to fuck right off.

You have also used yet another false dichotomy fallacy to evade a direct question, using superstition as well, as Hitler taking a pill t make him a child is nonsensical magic, if the result were an innocent child then no he would not deserve to be harmed, let alone tortured as you gleefully claimed.

His return to the forum has been made conditional on his making a good act of contrition.

Boru

(September 19, 2026 at 5:08 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 19, 2026 at 4:33 am)Sheldon Wrote: It didn't take long did it, for your crazy superstitious guff to have you espousing pernicious wankery, that implies it is ever moral to justify the rape of a child. 

Luckily there is no evidence that any such deity exists, as if it did I'd be morally obliged to tell it to fuck right off.

You have also used yet another false dichotomy fallacy to evade a direct question, using superstition as well, as Hitler taking a pill t make him a child is nonsensical magic, if the result were an innocent child then no he would not deserve to be harmed, let alone tortured as you gleefully claimed.

His return to the forum has been made conditional on his making a good act of contrition.

Boru

A very reasonable request, I wonder if his strident beliefs will allow it. 

Though it's bizarre that anyone's moral line in the sand isn't objecting to the rape and torture of a child, any child, but then the bible hardly sets a good example.

Hey, if his god raping and impregnating a young virgin is totally fine why would other child rape be off limits to the true blooded xians?

It’s a blood and rape religion

(September 19, 2026 at 9:58 am)Sheldon Wrote:

(September 19, 2026 at 5:08 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: His return to the forum has been made conditional on his making a good act of contrition.

Boru

A very reasonable request, I wonder if his strident beliefs will allow it. 

Though it's bizarre that anyone's moral line in the sand isn't objecting to the rape and torture of a child, any child, but then the bible hardly sets a good example.

(Bold mine)

I sincerely hope not.

Boru

(September 15, 2026 at 11:45 am)Belacqua Wrote: Years ago when we atheists were arguing against religious people on the Internet, we used to say that we reject their claims due to logic and empirical evidence. 

I don't think anything is gained by insisting that atheists reject claims without such reasons.

I don't believe any deity / deities exist, and thus I am an atheist, but I have never ever claimed this, and so who the fk is "we atheists"? 

I can't stress this strongly enough, but please don't speak for me, ever...by all means express your own beliefs, but don't tell others what they believe / don't believe  

I also don't care what you think is "gained" by my disbelieving a claim, any claim, not aligning with a straw man you've created.

^On the one hand, Bel often thinks he speaks for everyone who identifies as atheist.

On the other, he routinely insults the whole forum as he swoops in to try to make buddies with the new people...especially if they start off with a wild claim.

(September 19, 2026 at 4:45 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(September 15, 2026 at 11:45 am)Belacqua Wrote: Years ago when we atheists were arguing against religious people on the Internet, we used to say that we reject their claims due to logic and empirical evidence. 

I don't think anything is gained by insisting that atheists reject claims without such reasons.

I don't believe any deity / deities exist, and thus I am an atheist, but I have never ever claimed this, and so who the fk is "we atheists"? 

I can't stress this strongly enough, but please don't speak for me, ever...by all means express your own beliefs, but don't tell others what they believe / don't believe  

I also don't care what you think is "gained" by my disbelieving a claim, any claim, not aligning with a straw man you've created.

You've made very explicit the reasons why you reject the claims made by Christians. 

So you have reasons for not believing. Your lack of belief is not simply lack (in the way rocks and lizards lack belief) but a conclusion based on your reasons. Your reasons -- your standards of judgment -- are the things you believe.

At some point you could have a temperate and non-accusatory conversation about your standards of judgment, and why not everyone holds these same standards.