Big difference between something being invisible and something that people cannot see. Being invisible implies that there are no colour pigments, or that the thing cannot reflect light. Since pink can refleck light (pink light), a creature cannot be both invisible and pink.

(July 13, 2009 at 10:01 pm)Arcanus Wrote: That is, can something be real but not exist; or conversely, can something exist but not be real?

No and no ... next?

Kyu

Everyone,

I know in my heart that she is pink; the fact that she is invisible is imaterial. Blessed be her hooves!

@Adrian,

Please respect my beliefs! All this logic is muddying the issue! It is hard for an intelligent person to understand why she is such, but of such she is! You cannot disprove that she is both invisible and pink and I know that she is both because it makes sense!

Rhizo

(July 15, 2009 at 10:05 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Please respect my beliefs! All this logic is muddying the issue! It is hard for an intelligent person to understand why she is such, but of such she is! You cannot disprove that she is both invisible and pink and I know that she is both because it makes sense!

No. You are delusional

(July 15, 2009 at 10:05 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Everyone,

I know in my heart that she is pink; the fact that she is invisible is imaterial. Blessed be her hooves!

@Adrian,

Please respect my beliefs! All this logic is muddying the issue! It is hard for an intelligent person to understand why she is such, but of such she is! You cannot disprove that she is both invisible and pink and I know that she is both because it makes sense!

(July 13, 2009 at 10:56 pm)Demonaura Wrote: So my answer is this: to be real something MUST exist but, just because it exists does not mean it is real. The definition of the word existence does not assume reality, only subjective reality that may or may not be part of the actual, real world.

Trouble with that is it requires a re-definition of the word "real" ... IMO, things that exist in the mind still exist as thought. That is still detectable and the technology, although currently in very early stages, is being developed to visualise thought.

Kyu

Thoughts are physical. Hence the FSM exists physically as an idea stored in the brain!!

The FSM exists! (as an idea stored physically within the brain), the FSM exists! (as an idea stored physically within the brain). Hooray!

So even though the IPU is a contradiction - even contradictions can exist within the brain. So therefore despite being a logical contradiction the IPU still exists (as an idea stored physically within the brain).

Hooray! I've proved the IPU! I've not absolutely proved it, mind - I'm agnostic about this (although I'm not absolutely sure about that ).

EvF

So you're saying God physically exists then Evie? When's the baptism?

Actually it doesn't require a redefinition of anything, I looked up the dictionary.com definitions of both words and simply pointed out the differences from my perspective. Neither definition was altered from the book to come to my conclusion.

(July 16, 2009 at 4:22 am)Demonaura Wrote: Actually it doesn't require a redefinition of anything, I looked up the dictionary.com definitions of both words and simply pointed out the differences from my perspective. Neither definition was altered from the book to come to my conclusion.

Wanna bet I can't come up with a different definition form a different online source? Dictionaries are meaningless when it comes to contentious areas like these.

Kyu

(July 16, 2009 at 1:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: So you're saying God physically exists then Evie? When's the baptism?

He exists physically as an idea in the brain, fr0d0. Not separately from that as an actual deity in the external universe - in any shape or form (as far as we know anyway (he almost certainly doesn't exist )).

EvF