(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: How do you know that God has not healed someone of AIDS?

How do you know he has ?

(January 26, 2012 at 4:28 pm)Forsaken Wrote:

(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: How do you know that God has not healed someone of AIDS?

How do you know he has ?

You're the one who first brought up the question, let me state it like an atheist would " the burden of proof is on you not Christians."

The fact remains that you have no evidence G-C...mind you as an atheist it would be more likely that science would have a better record of at least remission as it works on a cure then your deity would

(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: God does not make people sick necessarily, what actually makes you believe that God makes everyone sick.

The same thing that makes you believe that he heals. Given the exclusion of human will, everything else that happens is the will of god.

(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you were to contract AIDS does that mean God forced you to have sex with an infected person.

Having sex with an HIV positive person is not causally sufficient to contract the virus. You can have sex with such a person and still fail to become positive. You are simply exposing yourself to the risk.

Now, if there is a god and everything that happens is his will, then the causal gap between exposure and actual occurrence is the result of god's intention. Yes, you exposed yourself to the disease, but god is the one who caused it. You put yourself in the line of fire, but god is the one who pulled the trigger.

(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: How do you know that God has not healed someone of AIDS?

Duh, because there is no such thing as god.

Quote:How do you know that God has not healed someone of AIDS?

If your god had done anything shitheads like you would be trumpeting it all over the media.


Listen? Hear anything?


Neither do I.

DP Why did you leave so many books, I found a lot of the first 10 chapters. It really let me know if you really do not conduct research, or you found a website, put a few verses, and claimed that these acts are done by humans. So, I ask you again, why not use the act "and other poems.

Quote:these acts are done by humans.

Huh? These "acts" are not done at all. Just made up shit to con the dolts.

(January 27, 2012 at 2:20 am)genkaus Wrote:

(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: God does not make people sick necessarily, what actually makes you believe that God makes everyone sick.

The same thing that makes you believe that he heals. Given the exclusion of human will, everything else that happens is the will of god.

(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you were to contract AIDS does that mean God forced you to have sex with an infected person.

Having sex with an HIV positive person is not causally sufficient to contract the virus. You can have sex with such a person and still fail to become positive. You are simply exposing yourself to the risk.

Now, if there is a god and everything that happens is his will, then the causal gap between exposure and actual occurrence is the result of god's intention. Yes, you exposed yourself to the disease, but god is the one who caused it. You put yourself in the line of fire, but god is the one who pulled the trigger.

(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: How do you know that God has not healed someone of AIDS?

Duh, because there is no such thing as god.

Those responses are ridiculous, can't you do better, first you blame God then you say there's no God, please make up your mind.

No, G-C. We ascribe to the doctrine of "Shit Happens." YOU attribute everything to your silly god.

(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: God does not make people sick necessarily, what actually makes you believe that God makes everyone sick. If you were to contract AIDS does that mean God forced you to have sex with an infected person. How do you know that God has not healed someone of AIDS?

I would concede that someone who has consensual sexual contact with an HIV infected person, or even one with full-blown AIDS, and who then goes on to contract the virus themselves, would have made a voluntary choice with life altering consequences. Were I to be in such a position I would have no alternative but to accept responsibilty for the results of my own actions; though I could blame God (or Satan, or Mickey Mouse) for making me do it - an excuse, by the way, that seems to trip all-too naturally from religious lips on occasion - I would not have any rational justification for doing so. Neither would the excuse be justified were I to share hypodermic needles with other drug dependents.

However, voluntary contact with an infected individual is not the only way to contract the virus. As well as non-consensual contact, including rape, there have also been other innocent people who have ended up infected after blood transfusions or handling infected bodily fluids and tissues. What about children born to HIV infected mothers? According to Avert.org, some 15-30% of such babies will become infected during pregnancy and delivery, while another 5-20% will become infected during breastfeeding. Innocents all - yet if you cannot entertain the idea of 'God' infecting them deliberately for some arcane or even sinister purpose, then 'God' either fails to prevent the infection, fails to care, fails to know and/or understand the problem, or fails to exist.