Peace everyone. I have a question aimed especially at the Christians and that is have the Atheists and some others on forums that discus the bible committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the holly spirit?

If they have then can they be saved from eternal death that would await for them if that is the case?

Let's say some of them start believing in the bible, what could he do then to be forgiven?

And what's the right translation of the verse that talks about the unforgivable sin? Because in difetent bibles it says diferent things if I remember well.

Thanks

(February 8, 2012 at 8:42 pm)Pel Wrote: Peace everyone. I have a question aimed especially at the Christians and that is have the Atheists and some others on forums that discus the bible committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the holly spirit?

I used to be a Christian so I can speak as a Christian from that perspective. In other words, I can give you the thoughts that I would have given you back when I was a Christian. So here you go,...


Your question: "have the Atheists and some others on forums that discus the bible committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the holy spirit?"

From a Christian perspective my answer would have to be that no mortal man can possibly answer that. In fact, IMHO, for a Christian in particular it would be considering "judging" if they even attempted to judge whether or not someone had sinned against the Holy Spirit.

So as far as I'm concerned it would be un-Christian-like to even venture a guess.

"If they have then can they be saved from eternal death that would await for them if that is the case?"

Well, based solely on the King James Bible that I would have used, if they had been judged by God to have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit they could not be forgiven. According to Luke, God would have to go back on his own word in order to forgive them.

Luke.12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Let's say some of them start believing in the bible, what could he do then to be forgiven?

Well, assuming that they had already been judged by God to have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit, then according to Luke as shown above, nothing could be done. They could not be forgive no matter what. Even asking Jesus for forgiveness would evidently be a waste of time.

Although, you be very hard-pressed to find any Christian who can even remotely imagine Jesus refusing to forgive anyone who seeks his forgiveness. They would rather have God's WORD fail than have Jesus fail to be able to save someone.

And what's the right translation of the verse that talks about the unforgivable sin? Because in different bibles it says different things if I remember well.

Any Christian who claims to have the "right" interpretation of the bible can only be an arrogant fool, IMHO. And if they are a Protestant they should be extremely ashamed of themselves. Because the whole idea of Protestantism was to protest against having someone interpret scriptures for someone else. (i.e. they were rejecting the idea of a POPE).

In other words, true Protestantism is about self-interpretations. So the "right" interpretations should be up to the person who is seeking salvation don't you think? They shouldn't have to ask anyone else. It should be between them and God.

If they want a Pope to interpret things for them shouldn't they be considering Catholicism?

Those are my answers from a Christian perspective for whatever they're worth.

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I'm no longer a Christian and I expose the utter absurdities in the Bible all the time now. I have absolutely no fear at all of being judged by the God of Bible because I am completely and absolute convinced that the Bible is nothing more than Hebrew mythology that cannot possibly be the word of an 'all-wise' God. The fables simply aren't "wise" enough. It's pretty simple actually.

The very idea that a "sin" against the "Holy Spirit" should be "unforgivable" in a story about a God who's mercy and forgiveness are supposedly the only things that surpasses his love is simple a blatant contradiction of what this God is supposed to be like.

What can I say? This should be obvious to anyone. Utterly absurd contradictions like these are just proof positive that these fables are necessarily a farce to begin with.

This is like trying to justify Greek Mythology (only worse)

(February 8, 2012 at 8:42 pm)Pel Wrote: Peace everyone. I have a question aimed especially at the Christians and that is have the Atheists and some others on forums that discus the bible committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the holly spirit?

If they have then can they be saved from eternal death that would await for them if that is the case?

Let's say some of them start believing in the bible, what could he do then to be forgiven?

And what's the right translation of the verse that talks about the unforgivable sin? Because in difetent bibles it says diferent things if I remember well.

Thanks

Blasphemy against the holy spirit is the complete and utter rejection of God. It is the only unforgivable sin because it is by definition the refusal to ask God for forgiveness. No one is doomed to hell unless they have made the decision not to accept God's gift, and even then they can recant their decision. If you say you're sorry for your wrongs (repent) and ask God for forgiveness, he will forgive you. Believe Jesus died for those sins, and that's all there is to it. If a Christian truly worries about not going to heaven they probably have nothing to worry about.

Well I would say no, because there's no such thing as "sin".

(February 8, 2012 at 9:31 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Blasphemy against the holy spirit is the complete and utter rejection of God.

Atheists don't believe in the Biblical God, so they could not reject a God that they don't believe in.
Thus by your definition only believers could blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
A person would need to actually believe in the biblical God and then blatantly reject him.
That would be the only way that this kind of blaspheme could even be committed.

So Atheists wouldn't even be capable of committing this type of blaspheme.
So it wouldn't apply to atheists anyway then.

That would also be true of people like myself.
I used to be a Christian, but I simply stopped believing.
I never "rejected" this God, I simply realized that it can't be true.
That's nowhere near the same thing as rejecting a God.
So even I would not qualify for this type of blaspheme.

The only people who could qualify for this type of blaspheme (based on your definition of rejecting God)
would actually be Christians themselves.
An angry Christian who got pissed off at God and gave God the finger shouting to the heavens,
"Fuck you God, I'm sick of your shit!"
That would be the only kind of person and act that could commit this type of blaspheme
So it wouldn't even apply to atheists, or ex-Christians who simply stopped believing in the religion.

So if you know of any atheists who are deciding to become Christians
and they used to say a lot of nasty shit about the Bible, tell them it wouldn't matter.
They didn't believe in God at that time so it wouldn't count as blaspheme anyway.

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It's still an irresolvable contradiction though, because it implies that if a Christian loses his temper
calls God names and gives God the finger, and rejects him in a fit of rage
God would never forgive that Christian ever!

So it's still an oxymoron.

Quote:I have a question aimed especially at the Christians and that is have the Atheists and some others on forums that discus the bible committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the holly spirit?

Strange question to ask on an Atheist forum,but then so is our Pel. I've answered as honestly as I can.

I was brought up Catholic and taught there are NO unforgivable sins.


I had never even come across the notion of any sin being beyond forgiveness. Then I started running across members of the lunar religious right on internet forums. (we don't have any in my state because we are allowed to kill them).

I was taught that despair is the greatest sin, but even that is freely forgiven.


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I think Holly Spirit is a porn star-er, maybe it was Holly Spits, or Holly Spurt.

Either way, I'd do a money shot on the holly spirit even if it is just the silly sacred zippo you wacky xtians like as 1/3 or 1/1 or 3/1 of your stupid goddity.

What the hell is an unforgivable sin... let alone THE unforgivable sin?

Is it a tad like the unlovable cheerio?

Sounds like someone has been reading too much Harry Potter

It depends on how you define "blasphemy against the holy spirit"?

If calling Yahweh and his acts as evil, be considered blasphemy against the holy spirit, then I would have committed the "unforgivable sin". However if I were to confess Jesus as Lord and Saviour and sincerely "repented" for all sins I have committed. Therefore there cannot be any sins which are unforgivable.

Although if blasphemy against the holy spirit can be just considered crediting satan for the works of the holy spirit, then I have not committed that sin.