(February 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Only 2,476,633? Mao did a lot more than that over a shorter period of time and he wasn't even trying.

Comparing your own god to Mao. I think they're both vile characters. Mao is the worse of the two, because he actually existed.

(February 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Only 2,476,633? Mao did a lot more than that over a shorter period of time and he wasn't even trying.

So you're saying that since others did worse, then that excuses God's actions. Tell that to the 2,476,633 people (not to mention all the untold numbers in the global flood) he killed.

So tell me, why should we consider God to be a loving, all-merciful god when he killed so many people?

I bet the fuckers had it coming?

(February 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We poke fun at xtians because they are dumb enough to think it is real.

AH, but only dumb from your point of view.

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(February 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm)Aardverk Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Only 2,476,633? Mao did a lot more than that over a shorter period of time and he wasn't even trying.

If people starving bothers, you feed them.

1. No, you misunderstood. It was the whole of the world except for Noah and his family. In Mao's era the equivalent would have been 5 billion by God - 5,000,000,000.

2. Ah the old Commie bashing routine. It's funny how often this particular ignorance crops up on Christian forums. Mao was initially fighting the Japanese invaders and subsequently set out to re-build China and turn it into a country strong enough to stop the repeated invasions that they suffered. The Americans had their typical anti commie knee jerk reaction and instead of helping to re-build China after the second world war, they funded and supplied Chiang Kai-shek and encouraged the ensuing Chinese Civil War. The USA also stopped food aid and medical supplies being sent to China. The result - millions died. Sadly, the size of the country is a major factor here. The majority of the deaths were from starvation in some of the worst ever recorded repeated crop failures in China.

And you think that if people are starving you should send them food? So do I. So do I. Did you?

Did Mao succeed? He dragged China from the iron age into the 20th century and on to being a super power. Along the way he certainly committed atrocities but I doubt they were any worse than in many other civil wars - consider England, America, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Cuba etc. There MAY have been a more peaceful way of achieving change but at least no country has dared invade China since then. As with Vietnam, many of the deaths are clearly attributable to interference from outside - USA mainly.

(For the record, I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the communist party nor in any way a supporter of communist governments. It is a lovely idea practised well in some Christian communes but human beings are generally not capable of living up to the ideals.)

Hello Arrdverk, Noah, thing about Noah is, his story is it is told from his experiences and understanding at that period of time, his view point. Most of the story's of the bible are, snap shots of time and understanding. The last major flood of the magnitude in the story is thought to be the end of the last glacial period 12,500 years ago. The world, as we know it, was not covered by that flood But the whole of Noah's world might have been, taken he was situated in a flood area. So what does the story say, Noah gets the heads up that there's a flood coming is told how to survive it and what to store to start again after.

So do you think God should have stopped the ice sheets melting.

Commie bashing that's a new one for me, never had that before. You say you have never been a communist. I was once, back in the day, a card carrying member of the workers revolutionary party, Vanessa's bunch. I learnt a lot from that experience,most of it negative. I learnt about not blindly following flags and political bullshit, to watch out for hidden agendas, about scientifically based political theory and the dangers their of. The most important lesson I learned, is how, no matter how good your intentions are and how noble your goals, you can end up doing the complete opposite of what you intend if you blindly follow the directions of men.
I have been a Christian now for more than twenty years, so far he hasn't led me wrong once.

Basically, what your saying about Mao is, you can not make an country without braking heads. The same go's for bronze age Israel.

Do I feed the hungry, yes as best I can and the rest too. Personal responsibility is a big part of my understanding of Christianity. I am responsible for my own behaviour and how it affects those around me and the world in general. I take the directions on that behaviour from the teachings of Christ, no one else. Though I will listen and evaluate the opinions of others both Christian and any other view points, and may incorporate them in my understanding.

And yes it is bloody hard at times, but it is worth it.

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(February 13, 2012 at 12:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Only 2,476,633? Mao did a lot more than that over a shorter period of time and he wasn't even trying.

Comparing your own god to Mao. I think they're both vile characters. Mao is the worse of the two, because he actually existed.

Only comparing numbers not personality's, I happen to like God but I cannot see him in one of those hats.

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(February 13, 2012 at 2:13 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Only 2,476,633? Mao did a lot more than that over a shorter period of time and he wasn't even trying.

So you're saying that since others did worse, then that excuses God's actions. Tell that to the 2,476,633 people (not to mention all the untold numbers in the global flood) he killed.

So tell me, why should we consider God to be a loving, all-merciful god when he killed so many people?

Err no, we are talking about God here the guy with the reset button, your only dead if he says your dead. If God doesn't exist then it was men that did the deed.

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(February 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I bet the fuckers had it coming?

Who?

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(February 13, 2012 at 8:39 pm)Hoptoad Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We poke fun at xtians because they are dumb enough to think it is real.

AH, but only dumb from your point of view.

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(February 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm)Aardverk Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Only 2,476,633? Mao did a lot more than that over a shorter period of time and he wasn't even trying.

If people starving bothers, you feed them.

1. No, you misunderstood. It was the whole of the world except for Noah and his family. In Mao's era the equivalent would have been 5 billion by God - 5,000,000,000.

2. Ah the old Commie bashing routine. It's funny how often this particular ignorance crops up on Christian forums. Mao was initially fighting the Japanese invaders and subsequently set out to re-build China and turn it into a country strong enough to stop the repeated invasions that they suffered. The Americans had their typical anti commie knee jerk reaction and instead of helping to re-build China after the second world war, they funded and supplied Chiang Kai-shek and encouraged the ensuing Chinese Civil War. The USA also stopped food aid and medical supplies being sent to China. The result - millions died. Sadly, the size of the country is a major factor here. The majority of the deaths were from starvation in some of the worst ever recorded repeated crop failures in China.

And you think that if people are starving you should send them food? So do I. So do I. Did you?

Did Mao succeed? He dragged China from the iron age into the 20th century and on to being a super power. Along the way he certainly committed atrocities but I doubt they were any worse than in many other civil wars - consider England, America, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Cuba etc. There MAY have been a more peaceful way of achieving change but at least no country has dared invade China since then. As with Vietnam, many of the deaths are clearly attributable to interference from outside - USA mainly.

(For the record, I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the communist party nor in any way a supporter of communist governments. It is a lovely idea practised well in some Christian communes but human beings are generally not capable of living up to the ideals.)

Hello Arrdverk, Noah, thing about Noah is, his story is it is told from his experiences and understanding at that period of time, his view point. Most of the story's of the bible are, snap shots of time and understanding. The last major flood of the magnitude in the story is thought to be the end of the last glacial period 12,500 years ago. The world, as we know it, was not covered by that flood But the whole of Noah's world might have been, taken he was situated in a flood area. So what does the story say, Noah gets the heads up that there's a flood coming is told how to survive it and what to store to start again after.

So do you think God should have stopped the ice sheets melting.

Commie bashing that's a new one for me, never had that before. You say you have never been a communist. I was once, back in the day, a card carrying member of the workers revolutionary party, Vanessa's bunch. I learnt a lot from that experience,most of it negative. I learnt about not blindly following flags and political bullshit, to watch out for hidden agendas, about scientifically based political theory and the dangers their of. The most important lesson I learned, is how, no matter how good your intentions are and how noble your goals, you can end up doing the complete opposite of what you intend if you blindly follow the directions of men.
I have been a Christian now for more than twenty years, so far he hasn't led me wrong once.

Basically, what your saying about Mao is, you can not make an country without braking heads. The same go's for bronze age Israel.

Do I feed the hungry, yes as best I can and the rest too. Personal responsibility is a big part of my understanding of Christianity. I am responsible for my own behaviour and how it affects those around me and the world in general. I take the directions on that behaviour from the teachings of Christ, no one else. Though I will listen and evaluate the opinions of others both Christian and any other view points, and may incorporate them in my understanding.

And yes it is bloody hard at times, but it is worth it.

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(February 13, 2012 at 12:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Only 2,476,633? Mao did a lot more than that over a shorter period of time and he wasn't even trying.

Comparing your own god to Mao. I think they're both vile characters. Mao is the worse of the two, because he actually existed.

Only comparing numbers not personality's, I happen to like God but I cannot see him in one of those hats.

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(February 13, 2012 at 2:13 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(February 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Only 2,476,633? Mao did a lot more than that over a shorter period of time and he wasn't even trying.

So you're saying that since others did worse, then that excuses God's actions. Tell that to the 2,476,633 people (not to mention all the untold numbers in the global flood) he killed.

So tell me, why should we consider God to be a loving, all-merciful god when he killed so many people?

Err no, we are talking about God here the guy with the reset button, your only dead if he says your dead. If God doesn't exist then it was men that did the deed.

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(February 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I bet the fuckers had it coming?

Who?

Well that's me off, back to the land of no contact till at least the end of the week. I just hope I can get a break sometime in the future to have a proper discussion.

FUCK!! tl;wot!;dr

Hide tags are your friend!!

Quote:AH, but only dumb from your point of view.

When you come up with evidence for your fucking fairy tale be sure to let me know.... and your occasional brain farts about how jesus talks to you, or some other such nonsense, are not evidence.

I won't be holding my breath. Your kind is easily impressed with god shit.

(February 13, 2012 at 8:39 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Hello Arrdverk, Noah, thing about Noah is, his story is it is told from his experiences and understanding at that period of time, his view point. Most of the story's of the bible are, snap shots of time and understanding. The last major flood of the magnitude in the story is thought to be the end of the last glacial period 12,500 years ago. The world, as we know it, was not covered by that flood But the whole of Noah's world might have been, taken he was situated in a flood area. So what does the story say, Noah gets the heads up that there's a flood coming is told how to survive it and what to store to start again after.

So do you think God should have stopped the ice sheets melting.

I must say it's refreshing to have a Christian who doesn't believe the bible and who doesn't preach too much - well done. I rather like your notion that God's role was entirely passive and that he just acted as some sort of weather man for Noah. As you clearly don't believe the bible it makes it difficult to challenge you too much. Clearly IF we were just talking about the end of the ice age, the population of the known world would have had ample time to avoid the water and they would not have been drowned. Excellent! In your version God kills no one and Noah obviously has some major navigation failure drifting out to sea. That's a much better version. Can you teach it to the other Christians now.

Quote:Basically, what your saying about Mao is, you can not make an country without braking heads. The same go's for bronze age Israel.

Sadly revolutions are sometimes necessary but us imperfect humans rarely have a revolution without major bloodshed.

If I were a perfect, omnipotent god I think I would manage to create nations and get people to live in love and peace rather better than your God has managed. I obviously do not believe he exists but I presume you do. Do you think he should have done a better job or is His work good enough for you?

Quote:Well that's me off, back to the land of no contact till at least the end of the week. I just hope I can get a break sometime in the future to have a proper discussion.

I look forward to hearing more about your version of Christianity and why you don't believe the bible.

Quote:Only comparing numbers not personality's, I happen to like God but I cannot see him in one of those hats.

Strangely, there are many people who say the same thing about Mao.

(I see you have a little appeal to hypocrisy tucked in a couple of responses down, nice. See above. Can we avoid excusing atrocities committed by men in our attempts to excuse the similar myths of your god?)

"Mao killed more people, Mao wasn't such a bad guy, ergo Buddy Christ."

Quote: Basically, what your saying about Mao is, you can not make an country without braking heads. The same go's for bronze age Israel.

Except there is no indication from archaeology that "bronze-age Israel" was "jewish" in any sense of the word we know. What it was, was Canaanite, complete with the full pantheon of gods which had developed in the ANE.

Forgive my ignorance Min....but...

ANE??