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Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 10:03 am
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Peace. You know how Jehovas witnesses and a few others(can someone who knows post who are the others) believe that the interpretation of eternal torment and the eternal fire means that you burn up and there fore you cease to exist.
I kind of believe that that's what God would do as a punishment and it makes sense. I mean He doesnt have to torment someone for eternity.
Now, my question To those who believe in hell same as Jehovah's Witnesses that is that you cease to exist, how does eternally tormented mean cessation of existence?
And to those who believe in eternal torment: Why would God do something like that?
Also, are Jehovah's witnesses honest with them selves in their interpretation? I suppose they really believe in it because they would not refuse blood transfusion that can otherwise save their lives at times if they where not sinciere!
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 10:11 am
(February 2, 2012 at 10:03 am)Pel Wrote: And to those who believe in eternal torment: Why would God do something like that?
He is an asshole, that is why.
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 10:40 am
(February 2, 2012 at 10:03 am)Pel Wrote: Peace. You know how Jehovas witnesses and a few others(can someone who knows post who are the others) believe that the interpretation of eternal torment and the eternal fire means that you burn up and there fore you cease to exist.
I kind of believe that that's what God would do as a punishment and it makes sense. I mean He doesnt have to torment someone for eternity.
Now, my question To those who believe in hell same as Jehovah's Witnesses that is that you cease to exist, how does eternally tormented mean cessation of existence?
And to those who believe in eternal torment: Why would God do something like that?
Also, are Jehovah's witnesses honest with them selves in their interpretation? I suppose they really believe in it because they would not refuse blood transfusion that can otherwise save their lives at times if they where not sinciere!
Thoughts
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 11:16 am
Hell is just a made up place to scare the weak minded. No reason to think it exists. Also an all knowing god and hell doesn't add up. All it does is demonstrate that god is evil, a complete idiot and extremely incompetent.
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 11:24 am
Fine.
now give me clear evidence that this "god" of yours will keep his word, and is not merely lying to us in the bible just to get his rocks off.
Ever played a video game wrong on purpose? Like not killing the zombies but instead killing the people you are supposed to save? Yeah. Prove to me that you God isnt doing that with us right now.
He is all powerful, he can damn well do as he pleases, including lie and murder for pleasure. Who does he have to answer to? You? Me? A higher power?
Yeah, I thought so.
A god that "burns up" the non believers should not be trusted with promises.
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 11:28 am
Quote:I mean He doesnt have to torment someone for eternity.
A 'god' wouldn't....but the primitive men who invented that shit would. That is all part of being primitive.
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 11:47 am
It can be interpreted to suit whatever needs or desires the believer has. And?
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 1:16 pm
(February 2, 2012 at 10:03 am)Pel Wrote: Peace. You know how Jehovas witnesses and a few others(can someone who knows post who are the others) believe that the interpretation of eternal torment and the eternal fire means that you burn up and there fore you cease to exist.
I kind of believe that that's what God would do as a punishment and it makes sense. I mean He doesnt have to torment someone for eternity.
Now, my question To those who believe in hell same as Jehovah's Witnesses that is that you cease to exist, how does eternally tormented mean cessation of existence?
And to those who believe in eternal torment: Why would God do something like that?
Also, are Jehovah's witnesses honest with them selves in their interpretation? I suppose they really believe in it because they would not refuse blood transfusion that can otherwise save their lives at times if they where not sinciere!
Thoughts
Thanks
It's kind of a rigged system, isn't it? I mean, he creates man, knows all, but makes man inperfect, knows he will sin and when, but then punishes him when he does? If god is omnipotent, whjy wouldn't he rid the world of all the suffering. Seems to me that such a god is more of a sadist than anything.
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm
OK let's talk about this Christian/JW mythology for a second. Why would there ever need to be eternal hellfire for a finite number of souls which will be burned up? After the world ends and there's no more evil souls being cast into hell, why would the fire need to keep burning? No, I'm pretty sure the idea of eternal hellfire goes along with the idea of eternal punishment/damnation.
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RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 2, 2012 at 3:19 pm
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We're talking about the same god that turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking backwards, right?
I don't think you can justify any of his pointless actions. Even Jesus killing the tree for producing fruit out-of-season, what point did it serve?
It's all just fairy tales from the old world, if you ask me.
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