(March 19, 2012 at 7:50 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: You can't prove negatives

I know that is commonly said but it appears to be wrong. Here, I'll prove 2 + 2 doesn't equal 3 and that is proving a negative. Take 2 rocks in your left hand and 2 more in your right hand. Throw them on the table in front of you. Do you have 3 rocks? Negative has been proven. What can't be proven is a negative that has an infinite number of possibilities.

(March 19, 2012 at 7:42 am)bigboy Wrote: is there any scientific (physical,biological or chemistry) paradoxes or objections to my idea which is:

after a person dies

his consciousness/ sentience is brought back or recreated in a metaphysical/supernatural form by God (not restricting him to any religion) to reside in God's realm eternally.

now I know that in this universe we need a brain in order for consciousness to work.

So what if this metaphysical/ supernatural God can provide a metaphysical supernatural brain for the metaphysical/supernatural consciousness he recreates or brings back

sorry for using metaphysical/supernatural everywhere

if this is not possible AT ALL please explain why

I suppose that it may be possible for a super advanced alien race to come back in time or hop across parallel universes to the point just prior to brain death and then scan your brain in incredibly high resolution (without anyone noticing) and then recreate that pattern/structure either in some form of virtual reality or in real space and thus 'you' continue to live on after the death of your body.

But would that be you or a copy of you and it's also quite possible that I've been reading too much sci-fi :S

Anyway, even if that were possible it would have nothing to do with this character from the Bible you call God.

I'm afraid I don't believe you, average. Hallucinations or a certain degree of delusion perhaps.
Got to add this -

"I see dead people"

(March 19, 2012 at 7:42 am)bigboy Wrote: is there any scientific (physical,biological or chemistry) paradoxes or objections to my idea which is:

after a person dies

his consciousness/ sentience is brought back or recreated in a metaphysical/supernatural form by God (not restricting him to any religion) to reside in God's realm eternally.

now I know that in this universe we need a brain in order for consciousness to work.

So what if this metaphysical/ supernatural God can provide a metaphysical supernatural brain for the metaphysical/supernatural consciousness he recreates or brings back

sorry for using metaphysical/supernatural everywhere

if this is not possible AT ALL please explain why

How about you go and introduce yourself here

After all ..it is only polite good manners that ALL humans strive to demonstrate.

(March 19, 2012 at 7:42 am)bigboy Wrote: is there any scientific (physical,biological or chemistry) paradoxes or objections to my idea which is:

after a person dies

his consciousness/ sentience is brought back or recreated in a metaphysical/supernatural form by God (not restricting him to any religion) to reside in God's realm eternally.

now I know that in this universe we need a brain in order for consciousness to work.

So what if this metaphysical/ supernatural God can provide a metaphysical supernatural brain for the metaphysical/supernatural consciousness he recreates or brings back

sorry for using metaphysical/supernatural everywhere

if this is not possible AT ALL please explain why

Every reason it is impossible you were given on another forum but since you're a stubborn fucktard, you have some reasons here that it's impossible plus the one I'm gonna give you (and for good measure so is Brian Cox), it is against the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

(March 19, 2012 at 8:59 am)Phil Wrote: I know that is commonly said but it appears to be wrong. Here, I'll prove 2 + 2 doesn't equal 3 and that is proving a negative. Take 2 rocks in your left hand and 2 more in your right hand. Throw them on the table in front of you. Do you have 3 rocks? Negative has been proven. What can't be proven is a negative that has an infinite number of possibilities.

Its economy of language, you're absolutely correct, we're talking about proving the negative of an abstract idea, rather than the negative of a fact.

(March 19, 2012 at 8:19 am)Ace Otana Wrote:

(March 19, 2012 at 7:42 am)bigboy Wrote: if this is not possible AT ALL please explain why

Well we must stick to what we know at this point in time. We can assume anything. From the simple to the complex. So to remain with reason we stick to what we know, not what we can imagine. I don't think it's possible to continue existing (mentally) when our body and mind shuts down.

Death is the end of biological function. The brain is us. We are the brain and it really is nothing more than a lump of pink bio glob that functions with oxygen and many chemicals. When the brain shuts down, so do we. Mentally, we cease to exist. The data stored in the brain which makes up our personality, our memory and the ability to use senses in our body shut down and degrade. We won't even be aware that we're dead or have ever lived. The data required for conciousness, awareness and memory is gone. Try to think back before you were born, that's what being dead is like. It's hard to imagine being in such a state. Sleeping is a good way to comprehend it. Just without dreaming or waking up. Hours pass and you're completely unaware. Time and space no longer has any meaning to you. You'll be beyond such things.

I am confident that you do cease to exist. People who've suffered from a lack of oxygen have lost their memory, the ability to understand and talk, because parts of the brain were shutting down. The data was being destroyed.

Yep, look at before you were born for a window into death. Anyone who has experienced unconsciousness probably knows death. Think about if you've ever had general anaesthetic, you are aware of nothing in between going under and waking up, no time, no anything. That plus the non existence of pre conception were exactly the same to me - how would death be any different at all?

(March 19, 2012 at 7:42 am)bigboy Wrote: is there any scientific (physical,biological or chemistry) paradoxes or objections to my idea which is:

Stop. It doesn't matter what your hypothesis is at this point, this is unscientific and you've already failed. For any given assertion, premise or argument you need confirmers that support it, not refuters that dismiss it.

Quote:after a person dies his consciousness/ sentience is brought back or recreated in a metaphysical/supernatural form by God (not restricting him to any religion) to reside in God's realm eternally.

Prove it with evidence.

I don't want an afterlife the idea is tedious. Eternity is a fucking long time.

(March 19, 2012 at 10:24 am)Insanity x Wrote: I don't want an afterlife the idea is tedious. Eternity is a fucking long time.

Not to worry, our universe will be dead, cold and dark with no matter or photons (guess dark already said that huh?) in about 1095 years. How's that for a bleak outlook?