Well you stick to the fundamentals of your beliefs I believe Evie. That doesn't make you wrong because I believe they are rationally defensible. What Dawkins specifies is "defies reasoned argument or contradictory evidence". That's the rub.

I don't stick to the fundamentals of any belief. The only thing I stick to is that my beliefs be based on evidence... and if the evidence changes they change.

So I'm fundamental about one thing: Evidence. Which is what beliefs are rationally based on. But if that makes me an 'evidential fundamentalist', I'm o.k. with that (hence my religious views). I wouldn't call it 'fundamentalism' in a negative sense when it comes to evidence!

EvF

How will you know when you overstep the mark and defy logic Evie? To me it seems a little excessive that you cling on to stuff like thought and time having to be physical entities because you can't accept the non physical - for example. We'd have to be talking consensus of opinion to judge illogicality.

They're physical because they haven't shown to be non-physical (nothing has as far as I know) ...yet we have concepts in our brains...they're concepts...so they physically exist as concepts in our brain.

EvF

Thanks for the repetition

What about answering the point?

(August 16, 2009 at 4:40 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I don't stick to the fundamentals of any belief. The only thing I stick to is that my beliefs be based on evidence... and if the evidence changes they change.

In some people's eyes that makes us fundamentalists ... my older brother thinks I am!

Kyu

Yeah. Like I embrace atheism...I'm quite happy to admit that I find evidence to be fundamental. I'm an evidential fundamentalist :p

EvF

Ordinary Christians go to church and do their praying and mind their own business. They will pray for their neighbor that always has an pile of empty beer boxes sitting beside their garbage can on trash pickup day but they won't say anything to their face. They aren't too bad. I live next to some christians and they have never bothered me.

Those fundamentalists will take their crap to the polls and they will tell you how to live. They would come to your house and tell you that you are going to hell for drinking beer. Wherever they get that from the Bible I'm not sure. They want everyone to be Christian and they want to take the basic rights away from non christians. They want to be able to force every child to pray in school so they can brainwash them. They want everything censored and nudity, breast feeding, and sex other than missionary with the lights off is a sin. They want to do what Muslims are doing in the middle east but they will NEVER admit to it. They are ignorant and I think they have some insecurity issues myself. I bet they are really unhappy because they don't ever get laid the way they really want or they want to be able to have some fun in their life but God won't let them. They live with the fear of going to Hell if they even THINK about a sinful act. How that can be a happy life is beyond me.

Quote:Ordinary Christians go to church and do their praying and mind their own business. They will pray for their neighbor that always has an pile of empty beer boxes sitting beside their garbage can on trash pickup day but they won't say anything to their face. They aren't too bad. I live next to some christians and they have never bothered me.

Catholics can't say anything,as they often have as many empty beer bottles as any neighbour. Well,our house always did.


Although not a believer at the time (my wife was ) I happily attended the "St Paul's Parish Annual Men's International Beer Tasting Evening" and got shitfaced for $15.The cost included eleventy two REAL sammies made by BLOKES! Several of the priests from the local monastery attended as guests,as did the Archbishop,who only got a little legless. (IE staggered but did not actually fall down) The priests got paralytic,a time honoured tradition with Catholic priests and free piss. I kid you not. Only time in my life I've ever rolled UP a hill on the way home


An explanation on intoxication: According to my dad,there are three levelsrunk (you fall down) VERY drunk (you can't get up) and dead drunk (you're unconscious) ME? I think you're drunk when you feel sophisticated but can't pronounce it.

I still think the question of fundamentalism or not is still to do with whether they will shift from their 'fundamentals' or not... that's why it's called fundamentalism?

EvF