(April 13, 2012 at 12:29 am)Shell B Wrote: Psychiatry is not pseudo-science or intangible in the slightest. What gives you that idea?

Kratos is stupid. You should take a look at his thoughts on society. Next question?

(April 13, 2012 at 12:29 am)Shell B Wrote: Psychiatry is not pseudo-science or intangible in the slightest. What gives you that idea?

You misunderstood, the "mind" is intangible. The brain can be studied scientifically, but the mind cannot, not yet anyway. Lets say you are insane the Psychiatrist cannot physically study your mind and give a perfect diagnosis of what the reason is. He must use subjective methods if you are helped it is more art than science. If you are raving mad a doctor may give you a powerful seditive but a hard wack on the head would sedate you too.

(April 13, 2012 at 1:49 am)Kratos Wrote:

(April 13, 2012 at 12:29 am)Shell B Wrote: Psychiatry is not pseudo-science or intangible in the slightest. What gives you that idea?

You misunderstood, the "mind" is intangible. The brain can be studied scientifically, but the mind cannot, not yet anyway. Lets say you are insane the Psychiatrist cannot physically study your mind and give a perfect diagnosis of what the reason is. He must use subjective methods if you are helped it is more art than science. If you are raving mad a doctor may give you a powerful seditive but a hard wack on the head would sedate you too.

The mind is not intangible, the mind is the brain.

Quote:The mind is not intangible, the mind is the brain.

Umm, actually the mind/body dichotomy is far from resolved.Nor indeed is there any consensus on the very nature of consciousness.. Eg there is no empirical basis for Freud's 'ego,id,superego',yet the majority of psychiatrists in Australia remain Freudians.

Psychiatrists base drug prescriptions to alleviate specific symptoms on empirical evidence..(mostly) However, it can certainly be argued that both Freudian and Jungian psychotherapy are indeed pseudo sciences.

PS please do not think I'm defending Kratos,I'm not. Still think he's a poe or a dill.

(April 13, 2012 at 1:49 am)Kratos Wrote: You misunderstood, the "mind" is intangible. The brain can be studied scientifically, but the mind cannot, not yet anyway. Lets say you are insane the Psychiatrist cannot physically study your mind and give a perfect diagnosis of what the reason is. He must use subjective methods if you are helped it is more art than science. If you are raving mad a doctor may give you a powerful seditive but a hard wack on the head would sedate you too.

Hmmmm. I still disagree. A doctor can't always tell you why you got cancer, does that make medical science pseudo-science?

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(April 13, 2012 at 2:45 am)padraic Wrote: However, it can certainly be argued that both Freudian and Jungian psychotherapy are indeed pseudo sciences.

Oh, I'm with you 100 percent. However, going back to my last post as an example, what that crazy Nazi doctor did was pseudo-science. Is all medical science painted with the same brush?

(April 13, 2012 at 2:45 am)padraic Wrote:

Quote:The mind is not intangible, the mind is the brain.

Umm, actually the mind/body dichotomy is far from resolved.Nor indeed is there any consensus on the very nature of consciousness.. Eg there is no empirical basis for Freud's 'ego,id,superego',yet the majority of psychiatrists in Australia remain Freudians.

It just seems exceedingly strange that someone could believe in an ethereal mind and yet deny a God or Goddess. For me, there's only the material. Any claim that anything intangible exists is a pretty heavy claim towards deism.

Psychology is applied Biology is applied Chemistry is applied Physics is applied Mathematics.

The further you get from Mathematics, the sketchier the results, and less predictable, which is why Psychology gets a bum deal sometimes.

There may not be consensus on the mind/body dichotomy, but there is definitely consensus that there is no evidence for dualism of mind/body, but plenty evidence for the mind being the brain. Its not conclusive, but its up against a god of the gaps argument for consciousness.

Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved. Has turned out to be. Not Magic.

I have no reason to believe that the mind will turn out to be magic, when nothing else has.

Quote:It just seems exceedingly strange that someone could believe in an ethereal mind and yet deny a God or Goddess

Argument from incredulity.


Me? I make no claims. I am so far unable to accept dualism for the same reason I am unable to accept the existence of god(s) ; lack of credible evidence. Either or both may be the case,no matter how unlikely I think that might be.

Quote:There may not be consensus on the mind/body dichotomy, but there is definitely consensus that there is no evidence for dualism of mind/body, but plenty evidence for the mind being the brain. Its not conclusive, but its up against a god of the gaps argument for consciousness

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THAT is my position..

Quote:. Is all medical science painted with the same brush?

Well,yes,by those with an IQ hovering around room temperature.