(May 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm)Christi Wrote: First of all, there is actually a lot of evidence to prove that the moon landing was faked.

Baloney. Mythbusters debunked this crap some time ago.

Quote:Just look at so much of the photos and you can see it was staged.

Wrong.

Quote:Plus, if we were there and technology is so much better now, why haven't we been back?

Because NASA decided to go with the Shuttle program instead of more moon landings.

Next question.

Quote:If you look at the records from 911, there is much proof that President Bush and Dick Cheney were in the midst of military exercises on purpose.

Please present some of this "proof".

Quote:They did it deliberately so that the Air Force would be busy and unable to respond in time.

Unsubstantiated bullshit.

Quote:President Bush needed an excuse to go after Sadam.

And he didn't need the horrors of 9/11 to accomplish this.

Quote: Isn't it strange that we went after Sadam when there was overwhelming proof that the Taliban weren't even dealing with Sadam?

In case you've forgotten, we went after Saddam after the passage of UN Resolution 1441. He didn't unilaterally invade Iraq on his own.

(May 1, 2012 at 4:10 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Its for the sake of my sanity, not yours.

understood dude. feel safe in the fact that i'm compelled to ask someone this kinda thing ONCE, i will not troll on this issue and will not bother you with it again. so feel free to ignore (obviously) or not. i just wonder why free thinking atheists hate critical thinking conspiracy people. nothing more nothing less.

As a skeptic I tend to look quizzically at all claims.... Not just Jesus shit.
When you start to examine the "evidence" that these people rely on it starts to look like a scam. The only people who benefit from this crap are the ones who wrote them.

In any crime... Follow the money.

Actually, he did need 9/11 as the public would not have gone along with the invasion otherwise. Remember, economy tanking, no one really even cared much about Sadam Hussein. And yeah, where are those "weapons of mass destruction" anyway?

BTW, just look on Youtube for evidence as there is plenty of it. No, I don't want to get all up in it cause then the big bad government is gonna take me away.

Mythbusters? You mean the same guys that shot a hole through someone's house? Yeah, you keep on believing. BTW, they only even worked on 2 of the photos. And, in one of the photos, they manipulated the dust in order to get the shadows to go their way.

So with all of the money that NASA has pissed through, going back to the moon just isn't in the plans? Nope, not buying it.

(May 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: As a skeptic I tend to look quizzically at all claims.... Not just Jesus shit.
When you start to examine the "evidence" that these people rely on it starts to look like a scam. The only people who benefit from this crap are the ones who wrote them.

In any crime... Follow the money.

sure enough.

speaking of following the money ... wiki larry silverstein, he sure followed the money, to the tune of 4.55b.

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(May 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm)Christi Wrote: Actually, he did need 9/11 as the public would not have gone along with the invasion otherwise. Remember, economy tanking, no one really even cared much about Sadam Hussein. And yeah, where are those "weapons of mass destruction" anyway?

BTW, just look on Youtube for evidence as there is plenty of it. No, I don't want to get all up in it cause then the big bad government is gonna take me away.

Mythbusters? You mean the same guys that shot a hole through someone's house? Yeah, you keep on believing. BTW, they only even worked on 2 of the photos. And, in one of the photos, they manipulated the dust in order to get the shadows to go their way.

So with all of the money that NASA has pissed through, going back to the moon just isn't in the plans? Nope, not buying it.

wish i could hear you say this, so i could tell if you're patronizing. no emos, no nothing ...

(May 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm)Christi Wrote: Actually, he did need 9/11 as the public would not have gone along with the invasion otherwise. Remember, economy tanking, no one really even cared much about Sadam Hussein.

Like I said, UN Resolution 1441. Read about it.

Quote:And yeah, where are those "weapons of mass destruction" anyway?

Good question. Where are they? We know he had them.

Quote:BTW, just look on Youtube for evidence as there is plenty of it.

Oh, gee... evidence on Youtube. Yeah, I'd run with that....

Quote: No, I don't want to get all up in it cause then the big bad government is gonna take me away.

Maybe if you live in North Korea...

Quote:Mythbusters? You mean the same guys that shot a hole through someone's house?

And that invalidates their findings on the moon landings..... how?

Quote:Yeah, you keep on believing.

Until you can produce hard evidence the moon landings were faked.... yeah. The government can't even keep dalliances with hookers a secret. You think they could run a scam like this without somebody blowing the whistle?

Quote:BTW, they only even worked on 2 of the photos.

And how many photos should they have worked on?

Quote: And, in one of the photos, they manipulated the dust in order to get the shadows to go their way.

They manipulated the dust? Evidence?

Quote:So with all of the money that NASA has pissed through, going back to the moon just isn't in the plans?

I explained why we haven't been back to the moon. BTW, the astronauts left a reflector on the moon that scientists use to take measurements with a laser. If they were never on the moon, how did the reflector get there? Hmmmmm?

Quote:Nope, not buying it.

I'm sure Neil Armstrong would disagree with you.

I still don't understand how people still believe all these conspiracies especially 9/11 and the moon landings. I mean there were multiple moon landings and there was so much private media coverage done on all of them. With a good enough laser you can prove it yourself that we landed there by the positions of the reflectors and you can see the debris left behind.

As for 9/11 the simplest answer is usually the correct one. Why would the government stage a crash killing thousands of innocent people just for a political war scheme? It doesn't make any since. We were pulled into the war mostly because of being involved with the UN and the president did want to take Saddam Hussein out. I personally think we should never have gone but the actual reasons we did go are far more simple and believable than the conspiracies.

(May 1, 2012 at 5:40 pm)BrotherMagnet Wrote: As for 9/11 the simplest answer is usually the correct one. Why would the government stage a crash killing thousands of innocent people just for a political war scheme? It doesn't make any since. We were pulled into the war mostly because of being involved with the UN and the president did want to take Saddam Hussein out. I personally think we should never have gone but the actual reasons we did go are far more simple and believable than the conspiracies.

nice, occam's razor. given that, this may also be one of those times where it isn't. that very reason must be what is making people just ... buy it. no bodies, no planes, no luggage anywhere, not even a drop of blood to analyze in schenksville, pa crash site. apparently 40 people vaporized there, and every plane on all crash sites did as well.

Want evidence the moon landing wasn't faked? The Russians aren't buying it. If anyone wants to find out that the moon landings were faked, it would be them.

Never mind the fact that reflectors were left on the moon that you can use to show we went to the moon by aiming a laser at them.

Quote:what i can't understand is why more atheists don't lend some credence to some of the issues that people call conspiracy theories? as a group that works on evidence,

You answered your own question. Crackpot fringe conspiracy theories such as those around the moon landings and 9/11 are bases on bad science, unfounded assumptions,bald faced lies and suppositions,not credible evidence. Both sets of conspiracies have been thoroughly debunked. I WOULD however,love to see somebody debunk Garrison's 'magic bullet' in the JFK assassination. I have never been able to accept Oswald acted alone.

Perhaps I'm just a little more selective in crackpot theories?

9/11 ;THERE are LOTS more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXxynEDpwrA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacYjsS-g6k


The Moon landing;also LOTS more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMrB857Oaxw