(May 3, 2012 at 4:10 pm)Bgood Wrote: You are in such denial. You think we live in such a noble and caring country. you must believe that we fight all our pre-emptive wars in order to spread democracy and freedom to every brown skin colored nation. But in reality...You are a fucking Tool.

I want to know how a cunt like you is still here involved in any rational discussion at all.

@Tempus

Sorry about the name calling, that would probably apply better to some others on this thread lol.

Well, I would recommend that you watch more than just one video on 911 truth! Some documentaries present the evidence much clearer and concise than others. There are literally hundreds of truther videos available so...you have to use your own wise judgement in what is good info and what is bad info. For example, some Conspiracy theories will spiral off into UFO sightings or mention holographic planes which are distractions and B.S. I'd watch the ones with alot of views and thumbs up. Watch the ones which are made by Micahael Moore, Loose Change and Zeitgeist part 2 / 911

And YES, there are 'debunked' videos that oppose these but you must hear out all the 911 truth evidence from various sources before reviewing the debunking "evidence". When you know the "truth" it then becomes very easy to see thru the lies and manipulation of what debunkers claim. You have to have an open mind and a strong stomach!

(May 3, 2012 at 4:35 pm)Shell B Wrote: Absolutely not. You can infer that the details are equally important.

Well I disagree to a certain extent. I do think both are important, but they are not equally important. You cannot have a "big picture" without details, but but you can have details without a "big picture". In the event that you have details but no "big picture" to tie them all together, you will get lost in your attempt to try to make sense of things. That is why it important to have a frame of reference (aka "big picture").

(May 3, 2012 at 4:35 pm)Shell B Wrote: Absolutely not. You can infer that the details are equally important.

In my eyes, that is like saying a spark plug or radiator hose is equally as important as the entire car. Nonsense!

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Or a seat belt or cupholder is equally important. haha!

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And please Shell don't respond with what ifs.....

(May 3, 2012 at 4:51 pm)Bgood Wrote: In my eyes, that is like saying a spark plug or radiator hose is equally as important as the entire car. Nonsense!

I see you are a mechanic.

(May 3, 2012 at 4:35 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I want to know how a cunt like you is still here involved in any rational discussion at all.

Because I am refuted by douchebags like you. And Hey, by the way, Napolean died over 200 years ago. He was a midget ginea whop who fought for French faggots. Who are you to support the United States of America the Beautiful and Brave??

(May 2, 2012 at 1:18 am)Shell B Wrote: How is the big picture more important than the details? That is so absurd. The big picture is made up of the details. Those unwilling to "parse sentences" are, to my mind, those unwilling to actually sort through the facts. It is easy to have a preconceived notion and a preference for the outcome. It is, again to my mind, very uncool to make wide-sweeping claims based on these notions and preferences and then refuse to acknowledge the details that really make up the entire scenario.

"Hey, who cares if the details don't match up? The governments is mean! That's the big picture and I'm sticking to it." Fuck that.

just for clarification. the reason i said i wasn't willing to take our discussion any further into "parsing sentences" is for a few reasons. first, i'm no scientist and from what you said shell, you aren't either. however, we both have had our experiences dealing with metals in different capacities. i won't front like i know without a doubt what happens with metals when heated in any if not many situations. i don't know so much about the make-up of the steel used, the asbestos insulation, hell, even the size and pressure of waterpipes. so for that reason, i felt it was an exchange without much merit and decided to opt out. one thing that leads me to believe the building "could've" come down on it's own though, is the fact that the floors were constructed with truss systems, to keep the building lighter. that makes succumbing to heat from a fire, much more believable.

another reason i left it was because of the thing i mentioned about the bigger picture. my contention isn't based on the buildings falling as the sole reason why i question what happened that day. so, if i didn't get that across clearly, then i just didn't. so to me, i made no wide-sweeping claims to defend, i asked some broad questions and people chimed in however they saw fit. some constructive, some otherwise.

(May 3, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Napoleon Wrote:

(May 3, 2012 at 4:51 pm)Bgood Wrote: In my eyes, that is like saying a spark plug or radiator hose is equally as important as the entire car. Nonsense!

I see you are a mechanic.

What's wrong with that? It is better than studying to be a professional jerkoff like you!

(May 3, 2012 at 4:59 pm)Bgood Wrote:

(May 3, 2012 at 4:35 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I want to know how a cunt like you is still here involved in any rational discussion at all.

Because I am refuted by douchebags like you. And Hey, by the way, Napolean died over 200 years ago. He was a midget ginea whop who fought for French faggots. Who are you to support the United States of America the Beautiful and Brave??

1) Napoleon was not short, he was 5' 7", average height for the time
2) He led the French, didn't fight for them.
3) He was one of the greatest leaders of the last 200 years, it took the combined might of most of Europe to defeat him.

Resulting to ad hominem, especially unfounded ad hominem, is a sure sign of a desperate man.

(May 3, 2012 at 4:59 pm)Bgood Wrote: Because I am refuted by douchebags like you. And Hey, by the way, Napolean died over 200 years ago. He was a midget ginea whop who fought for French faggots. Who are you to support the United States of America the Beautiful and Brave??

Please do carry on. I really wish to hear more of your bile.

If you think this is somehow endearing yourself to people who might be on the fence with this whole thing, I have to tell you, it really isn't.

But like I said, carry on showing your true colours prick.

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(May 3, 2012 at 5:03 pm)Bgood Wrote:

(May 3, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I see you are a mechanic.

What's wrong with that? It is better than studying to be a professional jerkoff like you!

Clearly missed the point. To be expected with such limited intellect though I suppose.