(May 6, 2012 at 10:49 am)tobie Wrote: They do commit less crimes. I forget the exact statistics, but over 90% of the US prison population are theists.

More like 98+% Tobie.

(May 6, 2012 at 10:49 am)tobie Wrote: They do commit less crimes. I forget the exact statistics, but over 90% of the US prison population are theists.

HAHAHAHA herpa derp derp huh?

This idiot is actually using our own points, to try and prove our own points wrong, but in the process, proves our points right?

(May 6, 2012 at 10:47 am)Abishalom Wrote:

(May 6, 2012 at 10:39 am)Paul the Human Wrote: The term is "Per Capita". Do more atheists per capita commit crimes than believers? - is the question.

See you're doing too. Our friend Tempus used that argument to belittle Christian charitable works. Christians represent a larger % of the population in correlation to atheist therefore they should have more charitable works. Why doesn't this apply to your "per capita" argument about crimes. Atheists represent a smaller % of the population in correlation to Christians therefore they should commit less crimes. It goes both ways.

Whoa, whoa, I wasn't trying to belittle them. I was pointing out they were proportional.

(May 6, 2012 at 10:47 am)Abishalom Wrote: See you're doing too. Our friend Tempus used that argument to belittle Christian charitable works. Christians represent a larger % of the population in correlation to atheist therefore they should have more charitable works. Why doesn't this apply to your "per capita" argument about crimes. Atheists represent a smaller % of the population in correlation to Christians therefore they should commit less crimes. It goes both ways.

Shouldn't the whole point be that Christians, who supposedly have this magical "peace that passeth all understanding," be the exteme minority in prisons. I mean, even if you outnumber atheists 10 to 1, shouldn't you thiests be setting a MUCH better example?? After all, you've got that Holy Spirit parasite riding along with you throughout your day. How the fuck are you committing crimes with that kind of "peace?"

It isn't real, and it is primarily Christians who have proven that Christianity isn't real century after century.

(May 6, 2012 at 10:47 am)Abishalom Wrote:

(May 6, 2012 at 10:39 am)Paul the Human Wrote: The term is "Per Capita". Do more atheists per capita commit crimes than believers? - is the question.

See you're doing too. Our friend Tempus used that argument to belittle Christian charitable works. Christians represent a larger % of the population in correlation to atheist therefore they should have more charitable works. Why doesn't this apply to your "per capita" argument about crimes. Atheists represent a smaller % of the population in correlation to Christians therefore they should commit less crimes. It goes both ways.

I'm not defending anything, nor putting forth an argument. I'm informing you that the term both of you were looking for was "per capita". You both kept describing it, so I told you what to call it. And it is an incredibly important thing to consider if you want to compare two segments of the population in any significant way.

Abishalom Wrote:It's not a fallacy when said group (Catholic) commits acts that are not acceptable to in said group's religious text (the bible). I guess you blatantly ignored the FACT that the Bible was BANNED and nobody could translate into English for many centuries. I'm sure the bible told them to do that. Or how about this one...Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were atheists, were they not? So it goes both ways.

The bible advocates acts that are far worse than what the catholic church has ever done.

Yes, Mao and Pol Pot were atheists ( Stalin wasn't) but atheists claim no moral authority. We have no book telling us how to live our life. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods, so killing fuck loads of people doesn't go against atheism, but it does go against christianity.

(May 6, 2012 at 11:01 am)Cinjin Wrote: Shouldn't the whole point be that Christians, who supposedly have this magical "peace that passeth all understanding," be the exteme minority in prisons. I mean, even if you outnumber atheists 10 to 1, shouldn't you thiests be setting a MUCH better example?? After all, you've got that Holy Spirit parasite riding along with you throughout your day. How the fuck are you committing crimes with that kind of "peace?"

It isn't real, and it is primarily Christians who have proven that Christianity isn't real century after century.

What do Christians committing crimes or being in jail have to do with Christianity? Does an atheist committing a crime or going to jail make you reconsider being an atheist? I mean you are putting forth unrealistic expectations. We are all humans, and people are going to do what they want to.

(May 6, 2012 at 10:15 am)Abishalom Wrote: Yeah I see where you're coming from. It's like when the atheist claims that atheists are less like to commit a crime. Well when you compare their proportion to the society they live in, one would expect that number to be lower...wouldn't we?

That number is given in comparative percentages, so no, your argument doesn't stand. Atheists comprise of about 9-15% of general population of your country and less than 1% of the prison population. The comparison is not based on percentage of atheists in prison vs percentage of theists, it is based on comparison of percentage in prison vs percentage outside.

(May 6, 2012 at 11:30 am)tobie Wrote:

Abishalom Wrote:It's not a fallacy when said group (Catholic) commits acts that are not acceptable to in said group's religious text (the bible). I guess you blatantly ignored the FACT that the Bible was BANNED and nobody could translate into English for many centuries. I'm sure the bible told them to do that. Or how about this one...Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were atheists, were they not? So it goes both ways.

The bible advocates acts that are far worse than what the catholic church has ever done.

Yes, Mao and Pol Pot were atheists ( Stalin wasn't) but atheists claim no moral authority. We have no book telling us how to live our life. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods, so killing fuck loads of people doesn't go against atheism, but it does go against christianity.

SO let me get this right...Christians do wrong because the bible tells them to do wrong and atheists do wrong because of the individual and not atheism. That looks like a double standard to me. It is what it is though.