For the purpose of this thread you can assume your own religion / belief system is true. I'm just interested in what you consider 'holy' and what that means if something / someone has that as an attribute.
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Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
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May 24, 2012 at 1:34 am
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2012 at 1:46 am by Anomalocaris.)
Something is holy when it is so full of holes that there is no room left at all for facts or substance
 (May 24, 2012 at 1:09 am)Tempus Wrote: For the purpose of this thread you can assume your own religion / belief system is true. I can assume, exactly what do you mean by this, I can assume? My faith is true, it's about truth, and it's truth is eternal.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(May 24, 2012 at 2:17 am)Godschild Wrote:(May 24, 2012 at 1:09 am)Tempus Wrote: For the purpose of this thread you can assume your own religion / belief system is true. Pad, are you sure this sheep really is more intelligent than a hairy nosed wombat?  RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 2:36 am
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(May 24, 2012 at 2:17 am)Godschild Wrote: I can assume, exactly what do you mean by this, I can assume? My faith is true, it's about truth, and it's truth is eternal. That's wonderful. Let me rephrase then: *I* will assume your beliefs / faith / religion / whatever are true for the purpose of this thread. I simply added that to establish that theists needn't prove anything; they don't have to bother answering "how do you know that?" or "prove your god is real first" type questions - I'm just interested in learning their opinions. 
I think it's clear that Godschild has no interest in knowing what's true, he only seems interested in what he 'wants' to be true. Always seems the case.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity. Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist. You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.  RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 4:19 am
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Quote:Pad, are you sure this sheep really is more intelligent than a hairy nosed wombat? Pretty sure ;same goes for kangaroo and koalas. Most Australian native animals are as dumb as a bag of hair; no natural predators. (Dingoes were introduced relatively recently) THAT'S why feral foxes and cats especially , massacre our small native animals. 
To be holy is to be dedicated to God.
Holy Name, Holy Face, Holy Orders, Holy Matrimony, Holy Week, Holy See, Holy Innocents, Holy Spirit, Holy Week, Holy Grail, Holy Water, Holy Sepulchre, Holy Communion....geez. 
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning Woe to the serpent and rescue to man. Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection; Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead; Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection, Measure your aid by the depth of our need. Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying, Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod; Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying, Mary Immaculate, Mother of God. 
 RE: Theists, what do you mean when you say 'holy'?
May 24, 2012 at 4:26 am
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(May 24, 2012 at 4:25 am)Aiza Wrote: Holy Name, Holy Face, Holy Orders, Holy Matrimony, Holy Week, Holy See, Holy Innocents, Holy Spirit, Holy Week, Holy Grail, Holy Water, Holy Sepulchre, Holy Communion....geez. Holy Fuck?
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog
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Is this anything to do with that spicky plant that thrives in the middle of winter??
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