o.o I apologize, but i have a mental disability that renders me unable to fathom that sort of stupidity... o.o Debate how it happens i can accept... but debate its EXISTENCE?! /incredulous-face.

(September 1, 2009 at 1:53 pm)Tiberius Wrote: It's like debating the existence of gravity.

No doubt!

Everyone knows that gravity is just god pushing downward ever so gently. Sheesh!

Rhizo

No, it's the FSM who is doing that. Don't you know anything?

(September 1, 2009 at 11:17 am)I_Fight_for_Jesus_Christ Wrote: Ah, a "solid proof" guy. Thats good.

Tell me Ace, have you ever heard of the Ararat anomaly and if you have did you give it any thought?

As to the questions in your signiature, well, I could explain them all if I managed to convince you of Bible's validity. Or even of the validity of Creationism.

No I have not heard of "ararat anomaly" but what does that have anything to do with evidence of a supreme being?

You cannot convince me without evidence. So once again, I wait for this proof of yours or am I suppost to first believe without any supporting evidence and follow everything that is said blindly without question in order to see what you see? Also, I would like you to answer to the things I've put in my sig.

Ok then Ace. I'm providing you with evidence, but you won't even look at it! The Ararat Anomaly is a subject that you SHOULD study. Please read all of the following, and don't write me off for a moron until you reach the end. OK?

In the bible it talks about a worldwide flood that wiped almost everyone and everything off the face of the earth, and how God had communicated with one man, named Noah, to build contraption we now call Noah's ark. It was a kind of rectangular boat that Noah shoved all his family and most terriestal creatures into and survived the flood. Well, the story goes on about how the ark was stranded on Ararat, a mountain on the turkish-and something-elsish-probably-georgian border. The USA has sent reconnasance planes there and they have taken pictures of an object half-embedded in a glacier that fits the dimensions of the ark recorded in the bible. The US has also taken sattelite pics of the mountain confirming the fact that there is something there of such dimensions. Some skeptics claim that it is just a coincidental rock formation.... But would the CIA be interested in some rocks in turkey? And could the dimensions be exaclty the same? Also fragments of cypress wood have been found near the summit of mount Ararat... Does this not convince you that the story in the Bible might have some truth to it? And if it does then what are the implications? That God had indeed communicated with a man?

Another thing that confirms the God of the Bible is the ruins of Soddom and Gomorrah at the bottom of the dead sea in present-day Israel. Investigations have been carried out there and the ruins of the cities have been found.... Implying that God indeed did judge those two cities... But the investigations are going rather slowly there cos the Jordanians are baing tight assholes and are not letting them continue.

As to your sig questions, if God does indeed exist, and He has create the world, then woud it be not possibl for him to create a single sperm cell inside a woman thence commencing the virgin birth? And if he is powerful enough to create everything would he be not powerful enough to walk on what he had created? And as to your question about two Gods, well, the Bible teaches that there are actually three. The one is three and the three are one. For example like H2O, it can be found in solid, liquid and gas states but it is still H20 right? So it is with God, he has three substances but the three are one. As to the other question well I'll explain it later cos this post is getting rather long.

The Ararat Anomaly is just that, an anomaly. It currently has no explanation, and nobody has gone up and found the site to determine what is it yet. How an unknown can be used as evidence for some mythological story is quite beyond me.

Go to the mountain, find Noah's Ark (the actual remains, not just some photo of a weird shape), and then we'll talk about the possibility of the flood being real. Of course, you'd also have to explain why none of the geological column bears any markings of a global flood, and all the other reasons why it is an impossibility.

Sunken cities prove that the cities sunk, they do not reveal anything about any godly cause.

It seems a rather good place to remind you that you must provide evidence with your claims in future. A link to the investigation website or a news article will suffice, but please provide it. You are the one with the claim; it is up to you to provide the evidence.

OK sure Adrian. But you cant write something off because of its name. I mean if someone's name is "Stupid" that doesn't mean the person is stupid... So it is the case with the ararat anomaly. OK, how else would you explain it? Exact dimensions of Noah's ark, top of Ararat..... And there ARE proofs of the flood. Fossilised remains of sea-living creatures have been found on top of mountains.... I know that you may interpret the data in the way that you like best (I'm not denying that I may be doing the same), but to me those three are proofs enough of a Biblical flood. Sunken cities, right, so how the hell did they get so covered in salt? And its not an island, its two sunken cities in the middle of mountainous terrain.

I will ask a third and final time, I_Fight_for_Jesus_Christ. You claim you were an atheist, can you tell me what changed your mind and led you to Christianity?

(September 2, 2009 at 8:55 am)I_Fight_for_Jesus_Christ Wrote: OK sure Adrian. But you cant write something off because of its name. I mean if someone's name is "Stupid" that doesn't mean the person is stupid... So it is the case with the ararat anomaly.

It is called an "anomaly" for a reason. UFO's are called UFO's for a reason (they are unidentified!). Why would someone name it an anomaly unless they wanted to make sure people that it was that; an anomaly. If it is called an anomaly, it is an anomaly; quite simply. Bringing up people's names is not helping your point; they aren't descriptions of the person. However we do all have another name: "Human being" which is very descriptive of us all.

Quote:OK, how else would you explain it? Exact dimensions of Noah's ark, top of Ararat.....

You claim it is "exact" dimensions yet nobody has stated it's dimensions. All people have said is it is 6 times longer than it is wide. The photos are grainy, and no expedition has been there, meaning we have no idea how deep it goes (if it is an object rather than a oddly shaped mountain) or even how long it is (considering it could be buried under the snow).

Quote:And there ARE proofs of the flood. Fossilised remains of sea-living creatures have been found on top of mountains....

Continental drift (which has also been proven by science by the way) explains these easily. Mountains are formed by the collision of two continental plates, and mountains at these sites are increasing in height all the time. Mount Everest "grows" by 2 inches every year. Fossils from Oceanic plates are pushed up the mountain by the collision. I learned this when I was your age in a Georgraphy class; it is a shame you didn't. Plate tectonics is a fascinating subject.

Quote:I know that you may interpret the data in the way that you like best (I'm not denying that I may be doing the same), but to me those three are proofs enough of a Biblical flood.

I don't interpret data in a way I like best. I interpret the results by experimentation and observation. Experiments have shown us that mountains are getting higher, and plates are colliding. Our entire understanding of volcanoes and earthquakes relies on plate tectonics, and it has enabled us to build early warning systems to help save lives.

So what other evidence have you got? Also, why doesn't the geological column show the clear flood that it should have done. All major floods leave evidence in the columns, namely a layer of strata that contains larger objects at the bottom, and smaller objects at the top. A global flood (arguably the most "major" flood ever) would have left a massive layer, and quite near the top too considering it apparently happened 4,000 years ago. No such layer exists.

Quote:Sunken cities, right, so how the hell did they get so covered in salt? And its not an island, its two sunken cities in the middle of mountainous terrain.

Again, you do not provide any evidence. Please provide evidence of these sites. Then I will answer your questions.

I didn't actually ask a question here Adrian... But OK I'll fish around for those sites.

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(September 2, 2009 at 9:00 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: I will ask a third and final time, I_Fight_for_Jesus_Christ. You claim you were an atheist, can you tell me what changed your mind and led you to Christianity?

Mostly the archaeological proofs of the Bible. And also the miracles happening today. Don't write me off as a madman yet. If you want to read the books that I have read to find all of this out then ask, I'll tell you about them. And I also seriously disliked the fact that evolution does not explain how first life started. The experiment that created the amino acids has been absolutely blown out of the water and the creator of that experiment hmself later denied that it was valid.

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Here's an site you should look at adrian.

http://anchorstone.com/sodom-gomorrah/so...ate-2.html