(June 23, 2012 at 7:19 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Jesus is most likely NOT Greek in origin. Persian perhaps, but not Greek.

It says in the bible he is a Greek

Shit. I've got to ask.

Where does it say that?

LOL. You. Asked. That.

I figure this could add another 5 pages to the thread.

(June 24, 2012 at 11:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: Shit. I've got to ask.

Where does it say that?

Unfortunately I can't remember, I borrowed my neighbours New International Bible and its in there. I don't think its in the James version

Would it be cheating if I presented the following keyword search from BibleGateway.com?

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/...ersion=NIV

Twenty-five occurrences returned for the word "greek", but no mention of JC being one.

You have to enjoy it when someone pulls a reference out of his ass and then it tucks back in. "Uh, I can't remember, and I don't remember which version it was in." Turtlehead scholarship, I call it.

The "Jewishness" of Galilee in the early first century is open to discussion, though. The region was only conquered by the Hasmoneans in 101 BC and the population forcibly converted to Judaism so the depth of the conversion is certainly open for discussion.

Both Sepphoris and Tiberias shut their gates to Josephus and the Jewish rebels basically telling them to go fuck themselves while they admitted Roman garrisons in 67 AD. That certainly does not seem as if they were too committed to the cause.

(June 22, 2012 at 11:48 am)Minimalist Wrote: That's a long way from saying that Josephus wrote it, though.

BTW, whoever wrote "Luke" did not pay enough attention to Josephus. He fucked up the whole bit about the political situation in Galilee/Judaea between the death of Herod the Great and the appointment of Herod Agrippa I as king.

"Luke" has a family of Galileans going to Judaea to participate in a census in another country at that time. If he copied from Josephus there is no way he makes that mistake.

I agree. Was Herod Agrippa ever a king? Remember, that "Luke" says that he studied many manuscripts to arrive at his account, which certainly does not imply that he studied them carefully, even though this is his/her claim.

Yes, Herod Agrippa I was a boyhood friend of Caligula and when the opportunity presented itself he was appointed "king." Oddly, Herod Antipas, Philip and Archelaus were called Tetrachs since Herod the Great's kingdom was divided among them. With later additions by Claudius Herod Agrippa's kingdom was soon the same size as Herod the Great's had been. When Herod Agrippa I died in 44 his son was too young to ascend the throne and the Romans were forced to resort to the procurator expedient...and the shit hit the fan.