S_Truth Wrote:The S stands for searching then for Truth

Well I hope you find it.

And welcome to the forum by the way.

(October 31, 2008 at 12:00 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: What makes you think we need to control death? We control death by eating food, drinking fluids, proper sleep, medicine, etc. When the time comes, the time comes.

What part is so hard to understand?

And there is no energy taking you over when you die, more the energy to sustain the organism is depleted. Hopefully of old age, or sometimes through sickness, sometimes through irreparable damage.

If you are asking why we don't seek comfort in an afterlife,the simple and honest answer is: There is no evidence there is one.

What I am trying to say is this energy that I speak of cannot be controlled, like prefectly healthy people end up dying for no apparent reason. So in a sense what I have come to is that there is an energy out there that we cannot control and it does as it pleases.

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(October 31, 2008 at 12:02 pm)leo-rcc Wrote:

S_Truth Wrote:The S stands for searching then for Truth

Well I hope you find it.

And welcome to the forum by the way.

Thank you for the warm welcome

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(October 31, 2008 at 11:55 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 31, 2008 at 11:50 am)S_Truth Wrote: I have a question for an atheist.

What is the end goal of an atheist who lives a good moral life?

This question has been bugging me for a long time, can someone answer this question.

End Goal? Well I can't speak for all atheists, but I'm an atheist and I don't believe in an afterlife. So there isn't particularly an "end goal" I just try and make the most of a good moral difference that I can until the day I die, I play my part, while still looking after myself so I don't go nuts because I feel a slave or something I have my own needs to of course, and I should be good and moral to myself too, so long as I deserve it of course.
Also, if I may ask you a question, I'm wondering what does the 'S' in your name stand for?

Also if there is no end goal what is the point in life, even though we help ourselves and others live better, they just end up dying and everything just gets repeated over again with our kids and grand kids.

(October 30, 2008 at 2:07 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: So in my opinion as an atheist you can say that you believe that this or other rational thinking (scientific) theory is right or wrong but you can not say that you have faith without religion because they are one and the same thing.

What belongs to Stalin he thought of himself as a Genius of humanity ,and was in fact hailed as such in the Soviet Union and by commies abroad ,he was in fact a smart guy who outbrained his colleagues but his faith or anti-faith believes are by long thrown to the dustbin of history.

So what would you call someone like Stalin or a much milder example of him if this dogma that he imposed was not faith based nor was it religious?
Would you call it superstition?
What would you call it?

I am completely going no where with my life then and end up helping others who also go no where with life.

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(October 31, 2008 at 12:15 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 30, 2008 at 2:07 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: So in my opinion as an atheist you can say that you believe that this or other rational thinking (scientific) theory is right or wrong but you can not say that you have faith without religion because they are one and the same thing.

What belongs to Stalin he thought of himself as a Genius of humanity ,and was in fact hailed as such in the Soviet Union and by commies abroad ,he was in fact a smart guy who outbrained his colleagues but his faith or anti-faith believes are by long thrown to the dustbin of history.

So what would you call someone like Stalin or a much milder example of him if this dogma that he imposed was not faith based nor was it religious?
Would you call it superstition?
What would you call it?

Sorry about putting so many question at once, but i just need them answered. But I have never heard of Stalin, so can you tell me about him?

(October 31, 2008 at 12:16 pm)S_Truth Wrote: I am completely going no where with my life then and end up helping others who also go no where with life.

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Well that's a pretty nihilistic view of the world.

The object of my life is to make the best of the life I have left on this planet, because as far as I am concerned, its the only life I have and I intend to enjoy as much of it as I can without harming others, and expect others not to harm me.

(October 31, 2008 at 12:16 pm)S_Truth Wrote: Sorry about putting so many question at once, but i just need them answered. But I have never heard of Stalin, so can you tell me about him?

Stalin was the ruler of Russia during the second World War. As a communist state and the fact that atheism is a part of communism (please note, not the other way around) some religious people blame atheists for all the bad things Stalin and his regime did.

A bit like Nero blaming the Christians for starting the great fire in Rome.

(October 31, 2008 at 12:25 pm)leo-rcc Wrote:

(October 31, 2008 at 12:16 pm)S_Truth Wrote: I am completely going no where with my life then and end up helping others who also go no where with life.

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Well that's a pretty nihilistic view of the world.

The object of my life is to make the best of the life I have left on this planet, because as far as I am concerned, its the only life I have and I intend to enjoy as much of it as I can without harming others, and expect others not to harm me.

(October 31, 2008 at 12:16 pm)S_Truth Wrote: Sorry about putting so many question at once, but i just need them answered. But I have never heard of Stalin, so can you tell me about him?

Stalin was the ruler of Russia during the second World War. As a communist state and the fact that atheism is a part of communism (please note, not the other way around) some religious people blame atheists for all the bad things Stalin and his regime did.

A bit like Nero blaming the Christians for starting the great fire in Rome.

I respect that you want to live a moral life, but what I don't get is what is the point in it when you die at the end. I feel so limited and out of control. Like all these wars in the world over oil and power, but at the end all of them die, so really there are no better than a drug addict on the street for both of them die as we all do. So really why the moral life, death comes when it comes and that's it, no more. A moral life is pointless as a destructive life.

So I was right, you are a nihilist. You are the Eeyore in Winnie the pooh.

What exactly do you think to gain by being destructive instead of moral, if it doesn't matter one way or the other to you why not do something good for others. Altruism can be a reward in its self.

(October 31, 2008 at 12:40 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: So I was right, you are a nihilist. You are the Eeyore in Winnie the pooh.

What exactly do you think to gain by being destructive instead of moral, if it doesn't matter one way or the other to you wht not do something good for others. Altruism can be a reward in its self.

Well in both i don't see any reward for end result is death either way. I just need someone to answer why live any of these life styles???? A happy life morally is just as great as a happy life taking as what I want with any means neccasary. So really I don't understand why we are born, if we are just living to die.

So you see no reward. But you see no punishment either. What if you do decide to go on a rampage doing harm to others and get caught? You will go to jail thereby throwing away even more precious time on this earth than by doing good, where you might also be liked.

(October 31, 2008 at 12:40 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: So I was right, you are a nihilist. You are the Eeyore in Winnie the pooh.

What exactly do you think to gain by being destructive instead of moral, if it doesn't matter one way or the other to you why not do something good for others. Altruism can be a reward in its self.

Like even having all these laws instilled by government are pointless because death comes no matter what and following these rules really hinder you from doing what you like. It's one big dead end for every human being on this earth.