(August 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Being conscious was a beneficial trait for survival of the species, therefore we evolved to have these capabilities.

How it can be beneficial since being conscious does not change anything to the laws of universe
i mean, we could be same the same people doing the same thing but being unconscious since its not us which direct our lives but the laws of the universe

(August 5, 2012 at 1:20 pm)laurent Wrote: How atheists explain the consciousness? From the atheist point of view being conscious is the equivalent of watching a movie, so how do you explain it scientifically? why are we conscious rather than unconscious?

either or, conscious or unconscious?

Stop, learn something before you go around shooting your ignorant mouth off, I might suggest some grammar. But learning anything would be a step in the right direction.

You might want to define what you mean by consciousness.

(August 5, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You might want to define what you mean by consciousness.

wikipedia says it well:
Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself
furthermore i would suggest atheists to read more about this subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_proble...sciousness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia
I dont see how an atheist can face those questions

(August 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm)laurent Wrote: wikipedia says it well:
Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself
furthermore i would suggest atheists to read more about this subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_proble...sciousness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia
I dont see how an atheist can face those questions

Albert Camus, go look it up fat head!

(August 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm)laurent Wrote: I dont see how an atheist can face those questions

I don't see how believing in a deity would answer those questions either.

(August 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm)laurent Wrote: wikipedia says it well:
Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself

Why don't you go ask a dog or an octopus. They are too aware of external objects and themselves, but I don't see you pestering them

(August 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm)laurent Wrote: furthermore i would suggest atheists to read more about this subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_proble...sciousness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

What makes you think we haven't?

(August 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm)laurent Wrote: I dont see how an atheist can face those questions

Easily. "We don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer to an unanswered question.

(August 5, 2012 at 2:16 pm)jonb Wrote:

(August 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm)laurent Wrote: wikipedia says it well:
Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself
furthermore i would suggest atheists to read more about this subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_proble...sciousness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia
I dont see how an atheist can face those questions

Albert Camus, go look it up fat head!

I know about him, basically he says that life is absurd isnt he?
my question is why are we conscious it doesnt seems to add anything?
if you believe in god you are conscious because you have a soul and choose freely how to react to the environment , but then if we just obey to the laws of our universe and are being fooled that it is our own choice, whats point? why not being unconscious ? we will do the same job for nature and our genes with eating, having sex etc..

Urrrrrgh