Yes, rape is natural. No, that does not make it OK.

Simplez.

I couldn't have said it better. The Ebola virus is natural. HIV is natural. Rape is natural. natural =/= good, no matter what the shampoo industry tries to tell you.

Also, did you know ducks rape during flight?

I believe I have heard something like that. That would explain why I never see them fucking in my backyard (thank goodness).

(August 11, 2012 at 8:47 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Also, did you know ducks rape during flight?

I take flight during rape. What's your point?

Here's an interesting wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiolog...es_of_rape

Particularly this:

wiki Wrote:Naturalistic fallacy

Thornhill and Palmer write that "Rape is viewed as a natural, biological phenomenon that is a product of the human evolutionary heritage". They further state that they "emphasize that by categorizing a behavior as "natural" and "biological" we do not in any way mean to imply that the behavior is justified or even inevitable. Biological means "of or pertaining to life," so the word applies to every human feature and behavior. But to infer from that, as many of our critics assert that we do, that what is biological is somehow right or good, would be to fall into the so-called naturalistic fallacy." They make a comparison to "natural disasters as epidemics, floods and tornadoes". This shows that what can be found in nature is not always good and that measures should be and are taken against natural phenomena. They further argue that a good knowledge of the causes of rape, including evolutionary ones, are necessary in order to develop effective preventive measures.[5]
Evolutionary psychologists McKibbin et al. argue that the claim that evolutionary theories are justifying rape is a fallacy in the same way it would be a fallacy to accuse the scientists doing research on the causes of cancer of justifying cancer. Instead, they say understanding the causes of rape may help create preventive measures.[6]

(August 11, 2012 at 8:55 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Here's an interesting wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiolog...es_of_rape

Particularly this:

wiki Wrote:Naturalistic fallacy

Thornhill and Palmer write that "Rape is viewed as a natural, biological phenomenon that is a product of the human evolutionary heritage". They further state that they "emphasize that by categorizing a behavior as "natural" and "biological" we do not in any way mean to imply that the behavior is justified or even inevitable. Biological means "of or pertaining to life," so the word applies to every human feature and behavior. But to infer from that, as many of our critics assert that we do, that what is biological is somehow right or good, would be to fall into the so-called naturalistic fallacy." They make a comparison to "natural disasters as epidemics, floods and tornadoes". This shows that what can be found in nature is not always good and that measures should be and are taken against natural phenomena. They further argue that a good knowledge of the causes of rape, including evolutionary ones, are necessary in order to develop effective preventive measures.[5]
Evolutionary psychologists McKibbin et al. argue that the claim that evolutionary theories are justifying rape is a fallacy in the same way it would be a fallacy to accuse the scientists doing research on the causes of cancer of justifying cancer. Instead, they say understanding the causes of rape may help create preventive measures.[6]

Pfft, that's what I was trying to say, only overly wordy and contrived.

Doesn't hurt to further point it out though. In case people missed it the first time

(August 11, 2012 at 9:00 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Doesn't hurt to further point it out though. In case people missed it the first time

True, and I am 100% behind studying these behaviors and trying to determine the triggers. To me, a society that buries its head and cries "evil bastards!", without so much as trying to determine the cause, stands to see the same behaviors repeated again and again. Same goes for pedophiles, sociopaths, murderers and any other members of society who make us feel icky. Locking them up and forgetting about them does not change anything. It's not a contagious disease, it's pandemic on a sociological scale. In these cases, prevention really is the only cure.

(August 11, 2012 at 9:00 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Doesn't hurt to further point it out though. In case people missed it the first time

Hit it right on the target. Thank you for the post