(October 18, 2012 at 2:10 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: show me the liberterian who is homophobic?!

here's one:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/07...franchised

http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/...y-bathroom

(October 15, 2012 at 2:48 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: there`s another german here?! and he knows law, bad german comedy and is hardly ever online.

Indeed.
I am hardly ever online because I usually have to decide between planning world domination and enslaving inferior people, and posting in internet forums.

and spanking people.

I consider Caucasians who believe they deserve more or are better than other races to be a fascist in some way. Caucasians always seem in one way or another to believe they should be more privileged than other race's which is a clear sign something is wrong with all of them. You can clearly see this reflected in america's media if not others who constantly attempt to show how whites are smarter, work harder and generally live/look better. When ever there is some white girl that's missing or some extremely poor white family it get's a spot on the news. The fact is there are lots of children of other races that go missing and nothing is done about it. There are many people of color who live in extremely poor conditions and they resort to violence and gangs which is also reflected in the media if not glorified by it. I for one find this sick because as it stands there are a few bad apples in colored races, but from what I see its the opposite for Caucasians where there are just a few good apples.

From a guy who high self esteam allows how to speak out.

Conflating Racism For Classism

One of the most common tactics racist white folks will use to avoid getting checked on their privilege is conflating racism for classism as witnessed in this episode of bitchassness here. If they had it their way, they would have you believe that blacks were enslaved and endured Jim Crowe solely because they were poor and if they had enough money then they wouldn’t have to worry about bigotry or oppression.

Yes, these two often intersect, yes they often overlap. But racism and classism are two distinct issues. If it was simply about wealth and class, then Henry Louis Gates, a world renowned Harvard professor wouldn’t have been racially profiled and arrested by the police for entering his own home nor would there have been a coverup over the police report.

Barack Obama, another Ivy League educated black man and oh yeah president of the United States (and arguably the most powerful man in the world) has been on the receiving end of nonstop racist attacks. Now, if he’s enduring this level of racism (people still don’t believe he’s an American) from society, what chance does the rest of us have? Those of us who don’t have his resources, who don’t have the media watching our every move?

Yes, poor white immigrants and poor white people have suffered and do suffer and it is a legitimate issue that deserves to be addressed. No one’s disputing that. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. realized this and often reached out to poor white people. Because classism is an injustice, I don’t care what race you are. But it is not the same as racism. They have completely different dynamics at play. Both are legitimate but you can’t use the former to erase/dismiss/negate the latter.

So this whole mindset of I’m poor ergo I know alllllll about racism or have it just as bad or even worse than POCs is dead on arrival.

Erasing Racism From Racial Issues

Oh this is another failing that can especially be found among liberal anti-oppressionist white peepul. It’s no secret that when it comes bigotry, racism typically takes a backseat to these discussions. Bring up racism and racial issues and you can count on being shouted down with everyone tacking on ever other oppression, they’re personally invested in just to get out of dealing with their white privilege/white guilt.

Which by the by in regards to the concept of privilege, for those of you who have issue with the concept, READ THIS HERE.

In fact recently when I called out the racism that a WOC endured, I had some condescending white chick demand that I take white privilege out of the discussion.

Yes there is a thing as intersectionality. As a double minority, I’m acquainted with that concept quite well and this isn’t to say that other oppressions aren’t legitimate or don’t deserve attention, because they most certainly do.

But sometimes, it is about race. And sometimes, scratch that, often, white folks need to be reminded of that fact. Especially the self-proclaimed liberal white allies with a Miss Millie complex who suddenly think simply because they’ve read an essay or a blog entry written by a POC that the rules don’t apply to them.

If you wish to read more and follow the links he leaves here is the source. http://www.peopleofcolororganize.com/ana...te-people/

(October 19, 2012 at 3:14 am)cratehorus Wrote: here's one:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/07...franchised

http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/...y-bathroom

Ok I wasnt aware that the liberterians and conservatives in your country were so mixed up. (Wich to me doesnt make any sence)
But still, would you considere it legitemate to use these two examples to categorize the entire liberterian movement as homophobic?

@JohnDB

Caucasians tend more to fashism?

Bharatiya Janata Party
Sumka
Al-Muthanna Club
Japanese imperialism
Syrian Social Nationalist Party
League of Nationalist Action
Falangism
?????????????????????????

Do you always believe your assumptions have enought weight to make an argument?

(October 19, 2012 at 8:47 am)UngodlyFossil Wrote: Indeed.
I am hardly ever online because I usually have to decide between planning world domination and enslaving inferior people, and posting in internet forums.

Are you from Sachsen?

(October 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I consider Caucasians who believe they deserve more or are better than other races to be a fascist in some way

I would consider a fascist a fascist. I know plenty of bigots who are not fascists.

Quote:Caucasians always seem in one way or another to believe they should be more privileged than other race's which is a clear sign something is wrong with all of them.

"Lest we become the enemy we hope to defeat" springs to mind. Always....all? Really? Are you hoping to criticize racism in this country or present yourself as a prime example of it? Is it unreasonable to propose that nothing is wrong with "all of us" any more than something is wrong with "all of you"?

Quote:You can clearly see this reflected in america's media if not others who constantly attempt to show how whites are smarter, work harder and generally live/look better. When ever there is some white girl that's missing or some extremely poor white family it get's a spot on the news.

Media organizations pander to their target demographics. This is hardly surprising, but one could interpret it as the lasting effect of our long history of inequality...or the status of a majority when it comes to business interests (which is what a TV show is.....)

Quote:The fact is there are lots of children of other races that go missing and nothing is done about it.

That would be the troubling part. What makes the five-o-clock news is a non-fucking issue comparatively

Quote:There are many people of color who live in extremely poor conditions and they resort to violence and gangs which is also reflected in the media if not glorified by it.

Which is inexcusable, even if it is understandable.

Quote: I for one find this sick because as it stands there are a few bad apples in colored races, but from what I see its the opposite for Caucasians where there are just a few good apples.

There are probably a fair many more than a "few" good apples on either side of this sad little fence amigo. Hopefully, someday, neither those people whom you would speak out against (nor those people who would express some of the sentiments you've expressed in this post) will be with us into eternity, or even the very near future.

(October 19, 2012 at 8:50 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: and spanking people.

Hell yes!

(October 20, 2012 at 6:19 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: Are you from Sachsen?

Hell No!

(October 20, 2012 at 6:19 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: Ok I wasnt aware that the liberterians and conservatives in your country were so mixed up. (Wich to me doesnt make any sence)
But still, would you considere it legitemate to use these two examples to categorize the entire liberterian movement as homophobic?

yep they're mixed up because nazis in america are very good at propaganda, besides whatever "movement" your talking about is using libertarian as disqualifier (unless by european libertarian you mean the golden dawn party, sure hope not) they likely are saying "were somethiing that's commonly viewed in OUR country as authoritarian BUT were a libertarian version of them"...... also this leader your talking about might be homosexual, but just because someone is in that minority, doesn't mean they automatically disagree, with the idea of THAT MINORITY being a second class citizen, it's called an "uncle tom", many black people argue for white supremacy, many women argue against feminism....etc

Quote:@JohnDB

Caucasians tend more to fashism?

Bharatiya Janata Party
Sumka
Al-Muthanna Club
Japanese imperialism
Syrian Social Nationalist Party
League of Nationalist Action
Falangism
?????????????????????????

Do you always believe your assumptions have enought weight to make an argument?

are you kidding? we have more white supremacist groups than that in Kentucky alone..........and quit acting like germany invented white supremacy, when they invaded poland

............. 80% of the world speaks english....not Swahili....... white people invented fascism

Germans did not really believe in the "white" ideology, friend. Their racial classification system was quite well, as a matter of fact. They had realized that "white" was a term that was subject to many misconceptions. The slavic poles were not of the same race as the Germans.
Fascism was invented by the Italians, hence the name "fascist".
It's a word that describes Italian nationalists. However, thanks to the efforts of communists and other left-wing assholes, this word came to denote any person that did not believe their little dream of a world under worker's dictatorship, without boundaries, nations, different languages, and etc and etc. So any nationalist was in fact, a fascist for them. Not even that, even mild-patriotism was called to be fascist, as it wasn't communistic enough, you see.

As a matter of fact, fascism was popularized by the likes of left-leaned politicians, activists and terrorists, all the while performing the most violent actions themselves, they have blamed nationalists for it, calling them "fascists".

... huh? Am I the only one struggling to understand all of that post? (Crate's I mean, not Mehmet's).

Even upon rereading it, the meaning of that first part still escapes me.