If you are asking whether or not the bible hates homosexuals, you need to see this:

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Leviticus 20:13

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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This does not use the word 'homosexual' directly, so the apparent debate over its meaning shouldn't apply to this passage. Although, this does technically only apply to gays, and not lesbians.

(December 2, 2012 at 1:31 am)Daniel Wrote: ^ That's because the literal meaning of arsenokoites is "male prostitute". Again, if this is what Paul really means then why does he use porne just a couple of sentences later in the same letter?

I might just add that there is no Ancient Greek word for "homosexual" so how else would you expect Paul to form a coherent sentence forbidding the practise?

I never said "male prostitute" was *the* meaning of the arsenokoites. That is one of a few possibilities that have been suggested.

Porne, as I said, doesn't strictly mean prostitution. That's what it may literally mean but it's usage throughout the NT and other documents suggested simply "sexual immorality."

These two paragraphs explain the arguments well:

Quote:There have been two major suggestions about the meaning of Paul's terns. One, put forward by Robin Scroggs, proposes that malakoi and arsenokoitai functioned together as Greek equivalents to technical terminology in rabbinic Hebrew that designated, respectively, the penetrated and penetrative partners in anal intercourse. The terms, on this interpretation, would have been closely tied to the purity law of Leviticus and its interpretation in the scribal tradition.50 The other suggestion, made by John Boswell, holds that there was no intrinsic connection between malakoi and arsenokoitai, that the former word, if it had anything at all do with sexual activity, meant "masturbators," and that the latter was probably a vulgar expression meaning "male prostitutes." If this is correct, it would be unclear whether Paul's use of the term was meant to condemn them for same-gender sexual acts or for acts of prostitution or both.51

Scroggs's argument implies that the two terms malakoi and arsenokoitai should form an invariable pair because neither would have the same import without the other. Yet in its one other occurrence in the New Testament, arsenokoitai appears without malakoi and is associated rather with "those given to harlotry" and "kidnappers" (1 Tim. 1: 10). Furthermore, if Paul was indeed employing technical terminology used in the synagogue and reaffirming it in the context of the church, we should expect knowledge of this usage to continue, but the later record is at best mixed, with little evidence for arsenokoites as meaning anything like "homosexual."52 Then, too, Scroggs's hypothesis is complex, requiring us to understand the vocabulary in terms of a double linguistic and cultural tradition, whereas Boswell's hypothesis stays entirely within the bounds of the Greek-speaking world. This does not prove that Scroggs is mistaken, but, other considerations being at least equal, the simpler hypothesis is preferable.53 More recently, Dale B. Martin has presented strong arguments against the linking of the two words and has demonstrated once again that we simply do not have any adequate evidence to tell us what arsenokoites meant.

L. William Countryman. Dirt, Greed, and Sex: Sexual Ethics in the New Testament and Their Implications for Today (Kindle Locations 1689-1700). Kindle Edition.

(December 2, 2012 at 2:54 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Porne, as I said, doesn't strictly mean prostitution. That's what it may literally mean but it's usage throughout the NT and other documents suggested simply "sexual immorality."

You do realize I was referring to Porne and NOT Pornea, right?

(December 2, 2012 at 6:07 am)Daniel Wrote:

(December 2, 2012 at 2:54 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Porne, as I said, doesn't strictly mean prostitution. That's what it may literally mean but it's usage throughout the NT and other documents suggested simply "sexual immorality."

You do realize I was referring to Porne and NOT Pornea, right?

No. I figured you were misspelling latter. Anyway. All those definitions for "porne" are for female prostitution.

Is this even relevant or is it a bunch of biblical masturbation?

(December 2, 2012 at 9:25 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Is this even relevant or is it a bunch of biblical masturbation?

Good question.

The answer is yes.

(December 2, 2012 at 9:25 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Is this even relevant or is it a bunch of biblical masturbation?

None of this is relevant. I'm not sure why we're talking about this actually.

(December 2, 2012 at 9:24 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: No. I figured you were misspelling latter. Anyway. All those definitions for "porne" are for female prostitution.

Exactly, because male prostitution wasn't anywhere near as common - just like it isn't today. Why would you reference male prostitutes specifically? That's what doesn't make sense about the argument that the reading is "male prostitute" rather than homosexual. That's what most scholars conclude when confronted with that text.

(December 2, 2012 at 9:31 am)Daniel Wrote:

(December 2, 2012 at 9:24 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: No. I figured you were misspelling latter. Anyway. All those definitions for "porne" are for female prostitution.

Exactly, because male prostitution wasn't anywhere near as common - just like it isn't today. Why would you reference male prostitutes specifically? That's what doesn't make sense about the argument that the reading is "male prostitute" rather than homosexual. That's what most scholars conclude when confronted with that text.

What makes you think he was trying to condemn homosexuality in the first place? Where does that come from? True homosexual relationships as we think of them today seemed to have also been rare. Pedestry and dominate/passive relationships were more common.

The meaning of "arsenokoitai" isn't clear. It could mean "male prostitute" or "pedestry" or maybe homosexual.

To get back on topic, please find below picture of a blonde chick with a nice pussy.